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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 02:05 PM Sep 2014

Catholic Schools Are Brazenly Firing Pregnant Lesbian Teachers

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119323/lesbian-catholic-teachers-fired-over-pregnancies-allege-descrimination

When Barb Webb was in sixth grade, she thought so highly of her teacher that she decided she wanted to teach, too. After graduating from Eastern Michigan University with a degree in Chemistry she passed up more lucrative private-sector opportunities and instead went on to earn a Master’s in Science Education from Lawrence Technological University. Her first full-time teaching position was at the all-girls Marian High School in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. For the past nine years she has taught Advanced Placement and Honors Chemistry and coached various athletic teams at the all-girls’ school. This period brought Barb not just happiness in her professional life but also in her personal life: Two years ago she married her girlfriend, and she is now 14 weeks' pregnant.

But two weeks ago, during a ten-minute meeting with two school administrators, she was told she either needed to resign or be fired from a job she had wanted since she was eleven years old.

According to school administrators, Webb, a Catholic, is not a role model for students. Marian High School, of which I'm a graduate, is a parochial school, and every teacher must sign a contract that contains a very broad “morality clause” that stipulates: “Teacher agrees, in the performance of her/his services hereunder that she/he will not publicly engage in actions, or endorse actions or beliefs contrary to the teachings and standards of the Roman Catholic faith and morality.”

Marian High School, which refused to publicly comment for this article, isn’t the first school whose Catholic institutional identity conflicted with the lived realities of its teachers. Butte Central Catholic Schools in Montana was sued last month by Shaela Evenson, a partnered lesbian and a literature and physical education teacher there for nine years, who was fired in January while pregnant with their first child. In 2010, Christa Dias, also a partnered lesbian, was fired from two schools in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Cincinnati under similar circumstances. The computer technology teacher was awarded more than $170,000 last year by an Ohio jury that ruled the archdiocese had discriminated against her.
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Catholic Schools Are Brazenly Firing Pregnant Lesbian Teachers (Original Post) trotsky Sep 2014 OP
Of course they are. What does one expect from a homophobic, misogynistic institution. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #1
It's okay to remain with those institutions edhopper Sep 2014 #2
Correct. And we know that the real bigots... trotsky Sep 2014 #3
Are you a US citizen? Do you support and defend all actions of the government even when wrong ? Leontius Sep 2014 #4
Wait, is that a serious question? trotsky Sep 2014 #5
remarkable analogy fail Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #6
Now that you mention it, I do tend to view my relationship to the US government much like I view AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #7
So you're staying because it's a better deal now for you Leontius Sep 2014 #13
That, and because like a consumer bitching about net netrality to Comcast HQ, AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #15
Well maybe there are millions of Catholics who naively hope for a change within the system too Leontius Sep 2014 #16
There are. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #18
Well I don't think 'Go fuck yourself but have a nice day' made Hallmarks list Leontius Sep 2014 #19
No, I used that language. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #21
...1. Right on cue. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #8
Yes I've considered it edhopper Sep 2014 #9
It's such a monolithic instutution. rug Sep 2014 #10
In a disagreement between 2000 members and the pope, who tends to win the argument? LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #11
He who defines the argument wins the argument. rug Sep 2014 #12
I was asking the question more specifically. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #14
The answer is yes. And the answer will become unavoidably obvious sooner rather than later. rug Sep 2014 #17
Okay. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #20
From my perspective, it's the school (and the church) that has the "morality" problem. gtar100 Sep 2014 #22

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
1. Of course they are. What does one expect from a homophobic, misogynistic institution.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 02:45 PM
Sep 2014

One might even think that those who support and defend such an institution are themselves homophobic and misogynistic. Why else would they fund such a horrific institution?

I'm sure one of those defenders will come along in ...3...2...

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
2. It's okay to remain with those institutions
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 03:17 PM
Sep 2014

and support and defend them, as long as you personally don't agree with the bad things they do.

Also because God.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
3. Correct. And we know that the real bigots...
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 03:47 PM
Sep 2014

are the ones who suggest that perhaps those individuals should consider a different church, one more in line with their values.

How dare they?

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
4. Are you a US citizen? Do you support and defend all actions of the government even when wrong ?
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 03:52 PM
Sep 2014

If the answer is no, why do you still have US citizenship should you not renounce it in the name of a higher more perfect more moral nation that you can support and defend ?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
5. Wait, is that a serious question?
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 04:03 PM
Sep 2014

Are you honestly suggesting that the act of changing the building you visit on Sunday mornings is the exact same thing as emigrating?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
7. Now that you mention it, I do tend to view my relationship to the US government much like I view
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 04:29 PM
Sep 2014

my cable subscription.

This government, for a fee, is supposed to protect my rights, and the sandbox within which I work and play.
If I can find a better deal somewhere else, I'm out. There are hurdles to that, such as there are leaving Comcast, but it isn't insurmountable.

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
13. So you're staying because it's a better deal now for you
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 06:29 PM
Sep 2014

not leaving over what you see as wrongs or outright harm to others by this government.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
15. That, and because like a consumer bitching about net netrality to Comcast HQ,
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 06:32 PM
Sep 2014

I haven't given up my naïve hope of 'change within the system', like the giant idiot I am.

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
16. Well maybe there are millions of Catholics who naively hope for a change within the system too
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 06:38 PM
Sep 2014

So they stay.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
18. There are.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 06:42 PM
Sep 2014

And when I *suggest* they *consider* finding a church that is in keeping with their values instead, some folks here climb my frame about it.

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
19. Well I don't think 'Go fuck yourself but have a nice day' made Hallmarks list
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 07:03 PM
Sep 2014

So there's that to consider.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
21. No, I used that language.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 07:17 PM
Sep 2014

"And if someone supports legal recognition of SSM AND also belongs to a church like the RCC, I don't think it's wrong to suggest they re-evaluate whether they are in the right place."

That was one of my more diplomatic, trying-not-to-be-a-douchebag days.

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
9. Yes I've considered it
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 05:44 PM
Sep 2014

As we grow more and more into an oligarchy.
But the difficulty of moving abroad, being allowed to stay and earning a living in the countries I would go to make it very hard.
Much harder than traveling a few extra blocks to another church.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
10. It's such a monolithic instutution.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 06:00 PM
Sep 2014
St. Louis -- The termination of two lesbian faculty members at Cor Jesu Academy, an all-girls Catholic high school, has prompted an outcry from alumnae who have vowed to withhold donations to the school.

In the last several weeks, alumnae have created a private Facebook group with more than 2,000 members in support of the couple, Olivia Reichert and Christina Gambaro, urging supporters to call and write to Cor Jesu leaders and voice their concerns.

http://ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/firing-lesbian-teachers-st-louis-catholic-girls-school-draws-outcry

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
11. In a disagreement between 2000 members and the pope, who tends to win the argument?
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 06:12 PM
Sep 2014

Intellectually, I understand the notion of changing from within. It's not a pragmatic thing, is it?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
12. He who defines the argument wins the argument.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 06:28 PM
Sep 2014

At one point the Pope denounced usury, allegedly on scriptural grounds. The argument was reframed. The New Testament does not speak authoritatively on labor law.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
14. I was asking the question more specifically.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 06:31 PM
Sep 2014

The argument is whether or not lesbian women should be classroom teachers, isn't it?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
17. The answer is yes. And the answer will become unavoidably obvious sooner rather than later.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 06:39 PM
Sep 2014

The efforts of these women advances that.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
20. Okay.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 07:08 PM
Sep 2014

Please excuse my impatience. In a perfect world, it wouldn't take so long to acknowledge the obvious.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
22. From my perspective, it's the school (and the church) that has the "morality" problem.
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 12:40 AM
Sep 2014

A highly dedicated teacher is about to give birth and the church/school thinks it's appropriate to fire her.

I know it's just me because who am I to denounce doctrine and large institutions with such "mature" people running them, but in my mind I think these people just need to grow up and stop acting like grown up babies.

People are gay or straight or somewhere in between; if they'd just open their eyes they'd see that a person's sexual orientation is *not* what makes anyone good or bad.

Generally, that has more to do with how much hate and intolerance one has... along with greediness, selfishness, etc. I'm thinking of the real deadly sins; the kind that make us suck at being human. Who somebody likes to make love to, if nobody is getting hurt, is not one of them.

The phrase "two consenting adults" should make a lot of sense in this context.

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