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NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:42 PM Sep 2014

Is the following the consequence of favoring "Freedom of Religion" over "Freedom From Religion"?...

Satanists to Hold Controversial Black Mass in Oklahoma
ABC News
By MEGHAN KENEALLY
http://news.yahoo.com/satanists-hold-controversial-black-mass-oklahoma-162207332--abc-news-topstories.html?soc_src=copy

A devil-worshiping group hell-bent on hosting a satanic black mass is planning to go ahead with its controversial ceremony this month, despite fervent protests by residents of Oklahoma City and a lawsuit from the Catholic Church.

The co-founder of Dakhma of Angra Mainyu told ABC News that the religious and educational organization decided to hold the black mass in public but it will be a “tamer” version than some traditional satanic ceremonies by, for example, substituting vinegar for acts involving urine to comply with state health laws.

The upcoming event has generated controversy because black masses mock Christianity and the rituals that make up their services but organizers see it as an integral part of their religion.



Gov. Fallin Condemns Black Mass Scheduled for Oklahoma
Press Release
Monday, August 11, 2014
https://www.ok.gov/triton/modules/newsroom/newsroom_article.php?id=223&article_id=14564

OKLAHOMA CITY – Governor Mary Fallin today condemned a scheduled performance of a satanic black mass next month in Oklahoma City.

“This 'Black Mass' is a disgusting mockery of the Catholic faith, and it should be equally repellent to Catholics and non-Catholics alike,” said Fallin. “It may be protected by the First Amendment, but that doesn't mean we can't condemn it in the strongest terms possible for the moral outrage which it is. It is shocking and disgusting that a group of New York City ‘satanists’ would travel all the way to Oklahoma to peddle their filth here. I pray they realize how hurtful their actions are and cancel this event.”

Fallin joins Oklahoma City Archbishop Paul Coakley in criticizing the event, scheduled for Sept. 21 at the Oklahoma City Civic Center. The archbishop said the black mass “is a satanic inversion and distortion of the most sacred beliefs not only of Catholics, but of all Christians.”


The Governor's press release is a bit dated, but it is still on her website.

Over 37,000 Sign Petition Against 'Obscene, Indecent and Hateful' Satanic Black Mass Planned in Oklahoma City
Christian Post
By Stoyan Zaimov
http://www.christianpost.com/news/over-37000-sign-petition-against-obscene-indecent-and-hateful-satanic-black-mass-planned-in-oklahoma-city-124113/

Over 37,000 people have signed a petition against a planned satanic black mass in Oklahoma City, which has also been protested by the Roman Catholic archbishop of the city.

"The black mass is an attempt to rip God out of the fabric of our nation. That's why more and more people are joining the protest," said John Ritchie, the Student Action Director for the American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property.

"The sole purpose of the black mass is to attack God, the Catholic Mass and the Holy Eucharist in a most obscene, indecent and hateful manner. Satanists typically steal a consecrated host from a church to desecrate in unspeakable ways."



I would also ask, do those who count themselves among the "cristians" here in these Unites States think they shall always be in the majority?

If not, considar this...



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Is the following the consequence of favoring "Freedom of Religion" over "Freedom From Religion"?... (Original Post) NeoGreen Sep 2014 OP
No, it's what happens when parody fails. rug Sep 2014 #1
Unfortunately... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #2
I think it's more a consequence of freedom of speech. rug Sep 2014 #3
Yes, it is. (nt) mr blur Sep 2014 #4
Question doesn't make sense. okasha Sep 2014 #5
There are two religious clauses in the First Amendment in the Bill of Rights no_hypocrisy Sep 2014 #6

NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
2. Unfortunately...
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:58 PM
Sep 2014

... I cannot view youtube content while at work, however, could not the "Parody" itself be a consequence?

okasha

(11,573 posts)
5. Question doesn't make sense.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 01:10 PM
Sep 2014

First Amendment protects all religions (and none) as long as civil law is not breached. First Amendment also protects rights of others to voice negative opinions about all religions (and none) as long as the civil law is not breached.

no_hypocrisy

(46,160 posts)
6. There are two religious clauses in the First Amendment in the Bill of Rights
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 02:23 PM
Sep 2014

The Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause were meant to leverage tension over any matter involving government and religion. They complement each other by protecting an individual right to freely believe without government coercion or interference.

The Establishment Clause is designed to prevent government overreach into private citizens' lives by curtailing any law, regulation, etc. that conditions citizenship upon directed religious practice that the government endorses or chooses. That allows the citizen to freely practice his/her religion or no religion at all without punishment or loss of government benefit.

The Free Exercise Clause discourages government from penalizing a particular religion, usually one that is in minority status such as Native American worship, Satanism, Joseph Smith style Mormonism, etc., because it isn't popular. In other words, as long as a practitioner/worshipper isn't breaking the law in some other way under the aegis of religious practice (e.g., human sacrifice, bigamy/polygamy, etc.), the government cannot arrest or fine someone who has a genuine belief and wants to practice that belief.

In this case, as long as any level of government isn't forcing people who aren't Satanists into attending and practicing their rites and as long as the government isn't going to fine or jail Satanists for practicing their beliefs (again, no sacrifices to Satan allowed), this group is protected from harassment, arrest, prosecution, conviction, and prison for convening for religious purposes.

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