Shasta atheist wins $2 million settlement over drug program

[Warren Stupidity]

A Shasta County atheist whose parole agent required him to participate in a religious-oriented drug treatment program has settled his lawsuit against the state and a rehabilitation contractor for nearly $2 million.

Barry A. Hazle Jr. did a year in prison on a narcotics conviction. His release on parole was revoked – and he was sent back to prison for more than three months – after he complained about mandated attendance at a drug treatment program where acknowledgment of a higher power is required.

Hazle, 46, sued officials of the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation six years ago in Sacramento federal court. Six weeks later, the department issued a directive that parole agents may not compel a parolee to take part in religious-themed programs. A parolee who objects should be referred to nonreligious treatment, the directive said, citing federal case law.

Read more here: http://www.modbee.com/2014/10/14/3591684/atheist-inmate-who-sued-over-religion.html#storylink=cpy

[Goblinmonger]

1. Dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218157112

[trotsky]

2. ZOMG why are you chastising him like that?

[Warren Stupidity]

3. And he knows I have him on ignore!

Last edited Wed Oct 15, 2014, 10:54 AM - Edit history (1)

I am devastated by the hostility here.

[Goblinmonger]

6. Sometimes people have to be shamed

in order for them to learn their place.

[rug]

8. But you're so bad at it.

Try harder.

[rug]

7. You have a need to announce your ignore list on a regular basis.

Much as a dog has a nedd to lick his balls on a regular basis.

With the same result.

No one cares but the dog.

[Iggo]

4. Yeah, but how many atheists on this board are ever gonna see that one?

[Warren Stupidity]

5. Toupee!

[rug]

9. Hydrogen!

[Heddi]

10. postiche!! Oh look at what else it means

how funny what hidden meaning words have.

Not only is a postiche a synonym for a ru..I mean, toupee...



postiche (pɒˈstiːʃ
adj
1. (Architecture) (of architectural ornament) inappropriately applied; sham
2. false or artificial; spurious
n
3. (Hairdressing & Grooming) another term for hairpiece2
4. an imitation, counterfeit, or substitute
5. anything that is false; sham or pretence


adj.
1. artificial; counterfeit.
n.
2. a false hairpiece.

[rug]

11. The second definition is far better than the first.

pos·tiche (pô-stsh, p-)
n.
1. Something false; a sham.
2. A small hairpiece; a toupee.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/postiche

[Gore1FL]

12. Jury Results.

You mean old dictionary word looker upper you!

On Wed Oct 15, 2014, 09:44 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

postiche!! Oh look at what else it means
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=157490

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Well, yet another personal attack by this poster on a DU member.

Take a look at the OP. Then look at this post. They have nothing to do with each other. This is a discussion board not a launching pad for personal attacks.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Oct 15, 2014, 09:53 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The personal attacks on DU suck. People disagree occasionally, but it is time for people to grow up and stop bickering. TxT
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see any personal attack here.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Are you fucking kidding me?
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not playing your little game, Alerter!! Nope! Leave it!!
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Weak alert.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Warren Stupidity]

13. Imagine that.

Only one out of seven du'ers believes in imaginary insults.

[Heddi]

14. why do people hate literacy?

Why do people hate synonyms???

[Sheldon Cooper]

15. I was either #3 or #6.

I really didn't see what the problem was, so if anyone can explain the backstory I'd appreciate it. Otherwise, it seems like a really pathetic alert.

[NYC_SKP]

16. Just juvenile poking and baiting and not-very-well veiled insults.

In which, for whatever reason, a member calls out another member but instead of using the other member's actual user name, which might result in a hide, they use a synonym or contrivance, for example:

Instead of user "old dog", they say "elder canine".

It's disappointing for a progressive discussion board, but it's what we get with DU3, where anonymous juries make the calls.

[skepticscott]

18. Yes, isn't it awful

when someone uses veiled insults and passive-aggressive crap to avoid a hide from our estimable juries? Glad to see you're on a crusade against this sort of thing and don't just want to see it swept under the rug in the case of certain posters!

[NYC_SKP]

21. I can count on one hand the number of DU members who behave this way.

And have fingers left over.

Remember, I was a moderator for years and one gets to see a lot of behaviors that others might not.

There are a handful of sensitive topics with inter-group battles:

RKBA and Gun Control Activists.

HOF and Mens group.

Religion and Athiests.

And it seems that many of the uncivil behaviors arise from some of the tensions between these groups.

Right or wrong about any particular issue, uncivil behaviors is regressive, not progressive, and those who engage in it make the fight for justice and fairness that much harder.

OTOH, I know some folks are going through hard times or have other life challenges, so I try not to make matters worse by responding in kind.

But I'll call them like I see them, that's part of the package.

[Warren Stupidity]

22. It is really a shame you no longer have any authority to put people in line.

[NYC_SKP]

30. None of us ever did. Only admins.

[skepticscott]

28. In other words, you claim to champion civility

But reserve for yourself the right to be uncivil if you feel it's warranted. You'll call 'em like you see 'em, eh?

Where have we heard THAT before?

[rug]

27. I see you learned nothing from your, second, suspension.

Maybe the juries just don't like you. Couldn't possibly be your behavior.

[Sheldon Cooper]

19. Hm.

I'm not up to date on all the infighting and baiting going on here, unless it has to do with the feminists.

In reviewing, it looks like heddi was apparently making some reference to rug, whose post was linked in this thread but not the OP. So, I don't know if heddi was supposed to be calling out rug or Warren Stupidity, and even then, I'm still not sure what exactly was being called out.

If you want juries to work on punishing this behavior, then the alerter needs to specify exactly what the problem is, instead of accusing the poster of some vague personal attack without offering any supporting evidence.

[rug]

20. This should explain it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/123029663

It's as contagious as a crotch rash.

[Gore1FL]

25. I am not familiar with crotch rash

What do you use to treat yours?

[rug]

26. Au contraire, you seem quite familiar with it.

[Gore1FL]

31. Is it synonymous for the Abrahamic religions?

Because otherwise I am not familiar with it at all.

[rug]

33. No, it's synonymous with assholery.

Are you familiar with that?

[Gore1FL]

38. Only when I read the religion threads. n/t

[rug]

39. Considering 17% of your posts are here, I call that an incomplete statement.

[Gore1FL]

41. 17% in the last 60 days or so.

Usually it's trying to explain pretty blatantly obvious things to the hard-headed.

It's Weird that you felt the need to look at my profile. Do you do that to everyone?

[rug]

43. Only to smug people who intimate they're slumming.

I should thank you for your efforts in trying to bring enlightenment to this room

[Gore1FL]

44. Feel free. I am awesome. n/t

[rug]

45. You got the first letter right.

[Gore1FL]

46. I get a lot of things right. It's because I analyze facts and test hypotheses.

It's wicked cool to be able discover, understand and have proof and such!

It's tricky at first, but if you try it for a while, you might come to enjoy it.

[rug]

47. You also got the last letter right.

[Gore1FL]

48. This would be why 17% of my posts are in religion.

It's probably more now.

If you'll excuse me, I transubstantiated a loaf of bread earlier and left it marinating. I really do need to get that into the oven.

[rug]

49. You also got the "s" right.

[Gore1FL]

50. If you ran Jesus's blood through a Pheresis procedure,

would it separate out into red and white wine?

[rug]

54. Your post reminds me of a pinned scorpion, flailing its stinger to no avail.

[Gore1FL]

57. Your posts remind me of the person stung by a scoprion--Poisoned and delirious.

Don't be sad, though. It's hard to defend the idiocies of Christianity.

[rug]

58. It's harder to mask bigotry in the cloak of progress.

Try. Tell me more about "the idiocies of Christianity".

[Gore1FL]

59. It's a bullshit cult. Yes, I agree it is bigoted.

All of the Abrahamic religions are.

Do you need specifics?

[rug]

60. Yeah. Spewing "bullshit cult" doesn't really do it.

I'm sure that's all many need but do try harder.

[Gore1FL]

61. I didn't realize you knew so little about your religion. It must be why you defend it so.

It's based on illogical, contradictory stories with no historical evidence. It portrays a "God" with less morals than the average human as a role model. It's morally offensive and has been used to promote things like (but not limited to) slavery and misogyny.

You should really read up on the things you claim to believe.

[rug]

63. I daresay what I know of it, which is not inconsiderable, is accurate

and not a cartoon drenched in bile which is the conclusion I draw from your posts.

[Gore1FL]

70. Accurate? LOL

Because you brought it up, you can't spell Bible without B-i-l-e.

Considering the contradictions, and the scientifically debunked statements how can you consider it to be accurate you apparently don't know it as well as you think.

Here is a graph of bible contradictions:
http://www.project-reason.org/bibleContra_big.pdf

Here is a video in case the chart is too difficult for you:

[rug]

73. Ooh, a cartoon and a graph from Sam Harris' foundation.

No wonder your opinions are so fucked up.

[Gore1FL]

75. I'm sorry. I thought they were simple enough for you to understand.

Here is something a little easier to comprehend for you:

The earth is more than 6000 years old. Man was made through evolution, not out of mud. It took more time for the universe to form than 6 days. There is no historical evidence for Jesus. You believe in lies that make you fear the dark less.

Was that easier for you to comprehend, or should I simplify it more?

As far as my opinions being fucked up, let me simply correct you. They aren't opinions. They are what can be demonstrated. You not liking them doesn't mean they are "fucked up" as you stated. It means you prefer fantasy over that which can be proved.

I'm sorry you don't like reality. I can understand that you don't, because you are much more credible in the land of bullshit assertions.


Speaking of knowledge of bullshit, maybe you know the answer to this:
Did Mary consent to have Jesus or did the Holy Spirit raper her?

[rug]

76. They are as simple as they are distorted.

Maybe you should read a book instead of watching cartoons.

The answer to your last question is "Fiat". Look it up.

Your question is a small example of bigotry trumping knowledge.

[Gore1FL]

77. Fiat?

The holy sprirt gave her a car?

Doesn't that Make Mary a hooker?

[rug]

78. Oh, your cartoons fail you?

Try "fiat voluntas tua".

[Gore1FL]

79. Thy will be done? So God is a rapist if he forced his will on some poor unsuspect woman.

I guess the The Trinity consists of the Murderer, the Condemner and the Rapist!

It's amazing that Satan is considered the bad guy in this particular rehashed collection of older mythology considering what a douchebag Christians make God out to be..

[rug]

80. Lol, where do I begin?

That was consent.

This will drive you into a greater froth. Some give her the title of Co-Redemptrix, along with Jesus, on the basis that, without her consent, there would be no redemption.

Now sit down before you hurt yourself.

[Gore1FL]

81. How is consent someone forcing their will on another?

The God of Abraham is a horror. Thankfully, he's just re-used imaginary concoctions of re-used stories from the oral traditions uneducated people. That is the only bible related implication that can be considered "Good News."

In the name of the Murderer, the Condemner, and the Rapist, Amen.

[rug]

82. There was no forcing.

The translation is the subjunctive, "May your will be done." The message of the Annunciation is as much about Mary's willingness as it is about the Incarnation.

You really should set aside your preconceptions, pun intended.

[Gore1FL]

83. You left out the first part:

"Behold, the bondslave of the Lord;"

She was a slave of God and submitted with that very qualification. Raped by the Holy Spirit. Do you think he at least used his flaming tongue?

[rug]

84. I'm sure you'll find a translation somewhere that says indentured servant. Maybe even chattel slave.

But this is the original Greek word: δούλη.

It's a word of humility, apt for the circumstance and is more accurately rendered servant or, as here, handmaiden.

Luke 1
34 But Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I have no relations with a man?”
35 And the angel said to her in reply, “The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.
36 And behold, Elizabeth, your relative, has also conceived a son in her old age, and this is the sixth month for her who was called barren;
37 for nothing will be impossible for God.”
38 Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word.” Then the angel departed from her.

You really shouldn't attempt snark when you clearly don't know what it is you're snarking.

[Gore1FL]

85. I missed in there where she was given a choice.

"and (Judas) went away and hanged himself"
--Matthew 27:5

"Go and do likewise."
--Luke 10:37

[rug]

87. Is that the best you can do, tell me to hang myself?

That must have stung.

1 John 2:11

Look it up.

[Gore1FL]

89. The best I can do?

Nah, but it was a funny enough of a joke.

I read the verse you suggested. It doesn't apply to me. Regardless, I care as much about what the Bible says as you do about the holy book of any other cult.

[rug]

90. You spend a lot of time snarling about something you don't care - or know anything - about.

And you really shouldn't make assumptions about what I, or anyone else, cares about.

[Gore1FL]

93. I find it amusing as all get out.

You seem to enjoy trolling me.

I have plenty of beer.

It's all good.

[rug]

98. I see, I'm telling stupid religious jokes to get a rise out of youand to amuse myself.

Nah. you couldn't possibly be the one trolling here.

Tsk, all from one teeny little Greek word.

[Gore1FL]

99. This is a symbolic illustration of the events of this thread

[rug]

102. And you call me deluded.

[Gore1FL]

104. Did I

Does that mean you fit the description?

[rug]

106. Why yes, you did, no matter how afraid you are to admit it.

[Gore1FL]

109. I appreciate you admitting to it.

That's a big step.

I know this one guy who spilled a small bit of wine on himself leaving a very hard-to-notice stain on his cuff. He felt lucky, becasue he needed to wear it again for church before he'd have a chance to get it cleaned. Unfortunately, when he was at church, the preist prayed too hard and it turned to blood.

[rug]

111. Your reading is about as good as your jokes.

[Gore1FL]

113. Thank you

In my youth, many teachers have also complimented me on my reading skills.

[rug]

116. That was a very long time ago.

[Gore1FL]

119. I know!

Once when I was a kid, I thought I saw Jesus on a piece of toast. It turns out it was just some guy with long hair. Pissed me off that he was on my toast. I had to make more for sanitary reasons. He gave me a cross look when I yelled at him "Look where you're sitting, Jesus-looking person! And good luck getting the butter out of your robes!" He gave me a cross look.

[Gore1FL]

86. True story--one with as much backing as yours, anyways

It's said that some say that the Holy Spirit went to the wrong address and tried to impregnate some guy name Morrie. Realizing the mistake, he moved on the right address and did Mary. Incidentally, she was on top because that's how the spirit moved her.

[rug]

88. Now you're simply embarassing yourself.

Don't let me stop you.

[Gore1FL]

91. I have been judged by someone deluded into believing they talk to to the creator of all things

I am truly harmed.

Could Jesus walk on water after they drove nails through his feet? You'd have to think that would affect buoyancy.

[rug]

92. Oh, are you calling me deluded?

[Gore1FL]

94. Am I? Do you fit the description of that delusion?

I guess that's something you'll have to answer for yourself.

[rug]

95. "I have been judged by someone deluded"

You tell me.

[Gore1FL]

97. Are you deluded in the manner I suggested? It's a simple enough question.

You should be up for the task.

[rug]

100. Let me see, who else has judged you in the last 15 minutes?

[Gore1FL]

101. Does Jesus count?

He is the condemner, after all.

[rug]

103. And yet another thing you have wrong.

How many years have you been walking around with this nonsense?

[Gore1FL]

107. You might want to re-read the jucier parts of the Bible again if you are going to profess faith in i

I walked around with this religious nonsense for over 30 years. I managed to escape the cult 15 to 20 years ago.

How long have you been walking around with this religious nonsense?

[rug]

108. Oh I see. You uncritically accepted everything you heard for years.

Then one day, you stopped. And you've spent the last 15 years on the internet bookmarking cartoons and pictures to reassure yourself you did the right thing.

[Gore1FL]

110. What? No silly! I'm deservedly ridiculing people like you.

One time, Jesus was visiting this guy I know for this group baptism his church was having. Long story short, Jesus changed the baptism water to wine on a bet.

He says he has a video, but I haven't seen it.

[rug]

112. The only one you're ridiculing is yourself. You've become a parody.

[Gore1FL]

114. A parody? Yes. I have been lampooning you and your cult all night

You are just now noticing? Man! God created man from clay in less time.

Edited to add. It would have been wicked cool if he made us out of rocks.

[rug]

115. Is that what it was?. I thought you were simply drunk.

[Gore1FL]

117. Nope. Only had 2 so far.

But maybe I am drunk on the power of the holy rapist.

[rug]

118. Then it's worse than I thought.

[Gore1FL]

120. Yep. I'm your worst nightmare.

Not including the one with the old woman, the spider web, the box of washers, and the bottle of supermarket-branded green Listerine.

[rug]

122. I don't findt mosquitos and mites to be nightmarish.

[Gore1FL]

124. Not when you have Deep Woods Jesus to keep them away!

One time I was camping and there were a bunch of mosquitos. This one guy got mosquito bites in all of the stigmata locations!

[rug]

126. Have you ever walked into a room only to find its occupants stepping slowly back?

[Gore1FL]

128. Nope.

I only seem to bother you.

[Gore1FL]

96. Another tidbit left out of the Bible.

When Thomas stuck his hand in Jesus' side in John 20:27, he pulled out a prize!

That's where they got the idea for Cracker Jack.

[rug]

105. Good, you're still embarassing yourself.

[Gore1FL]

121. Not really.

The only time I was really embarrassed, was when I was accidentally raptured early. (They put me back.) All of the kids in the 5th grade saw me naked, though. In college it would have been awesome, but at 11 it was a tough thing to overcome.

[rug]

123. Really.

Whether you realize it or not.

[Gore1FL]

127. If you say so

Why did the birdemaids leave their lamps burning? Instead of having more oil as a solution (at least for the stingy ones) why not only light the lamps when the wedding was actually going to start?

Does Jesus thing all women are stupid, or just these specific bridesmaids? Why is greed not punished in this parable?

[okasha]

131. Good grief.

GiF here reminds me of another overly verbose but basically ignorant poster, with the difference that he can at least produce a grammatically correct sentence.

[skepticscott]

29. Most of the alerters here

are simply trolling, and sending out alerts on certain posters for anything they think has a remote chance of being hidden. They're not interested in civility, only in silencing people who disrupt their agenda.

[NYC_SKP]

129. You are correct.

A discussion, actually discussions, over in another protected group is calling out members and another has some disagreeable but civil replies.

Members follow other members and argue in new threads in other groups. It's happening in this thread.

They are people with whom I've never interacted before.

It's really odd behavior, and it's not civil, but that's what we have right now.

[skepticscott]

133. Yes, it is odd

to see you criticizing others for what you're doing yourself. You were de facto banned from AA, and now you're in here taking veiled swipes.

[Warren Stupidity]

37. Here is a clue: if you need a scorecard to figure it out

then it is quite likely that there is nothing going on that needs to be "punished" by the DU community. Instead it is either a part of an ongoing intra-group dynamic that the rest of DU really needn't concern itself with, or something imagined or deliberately invented by the alerter, or a mix of both.

[nilram]

52. still, I rec'd this one

more panache

[NYC_SKP]

17. This should be a fine, not a settlement.

No way should a parolee be enrichened by this. The state was wrong.

But the cure for the state's sin is for the $2,000,000 to go to developing rehab programs that don't use the higher power gimmick.

$2,000,000 buys a lot of crack, or meth, or heroin.

SMH

[Warren Stupidity]

23. You do know that "parolees" are people with rights who can be injured?

Right? This person was injured by the state and sought remedy for that injury. He was awarded a remedy by a jury, in the form of financial remuneration. Thankfully you are not in charge of our legal system either.

[NYC_SKP]

65. Injured? How?

By sitting in a room and hearing words????

[Warren Stupidity]

66. You really ought to read about the case first before making statements like that.

Hazle was imprisoned for just over 100 days after taking issue with the drug-treatment program that centered on submitting one’s fate to a “higher power.” Heller said the program also included prayer and references to God.

http://www.redding.com/news/local-news/shasta-county-atheist-to-get-2-million-for-first-amendment-violation

[NYC_SKP]

130. Thanks for the link, and I found addtional details but stand by my opining, it should be a fine.

He was right to object to the state's failure to provide alternative treatment, and they were wrong to not offer it.

He was wrong in thinking that refusal to cooperate would be without consequences, he did nothing to mitigate these.

He took a principled stand with risks, where he could have accomplished the same degree of "justice" and mitigated the risk by cooperating and raising the very legitimate complaint while in the program.

I believe that the state was wrong to the tune of $2,000,000, but I strongly feel that his damages are pretty limited, he got 100 days based on the choice he made in how to fight the battle, he shares some of the blame.

Even then, $1,000/day would be quite generous; a $100,000 settlement would be reasonable, with a $1.9 M fine.

[edhopper]

24. Or he turned his life around

despite the assholes.

"Hazle said he intends to become active in drug rehabilitation efforts in the Redding area. Looking further down the road, he would like to build a home in the mountains, he said. "

But keep on jumping to conclusions.

[NYC_SKP]

32. Let's hope he does that but the chances are, sadly, well against it.

The money would be better spent had a trust been set up to ensure that he spends it in constructive ways.

The very best outcome would have been to have it set aside for perpetual voluntary participation in a non-religious therapeutic setting of his choice.

Unless and until his addiction has been effectively addressed, giving a person who suffers from addiction a pile of money is reckless.

That's just common sense.

[edhopper]

34. The billions we spend

on drug incarcerations would be better spent.

[NYC_SKP]

35. That is a certainty.

Effective treatment would be an investment in prevention, while incarceration only makes things worse.

I fully agree that one ought not be subjected to 12 step programs or other God based programs, that alternatives need to be available and they are out there.

And upon reading the article, those found responsible were breaking the law, so an example needs to be made to prevent future repeats.

But rewarding an individual with what should have been a fine seems silly and could encourage similar lawsuits.

Can this man really have suffered to the tune of $2 million for sitting though and hearing the occasional term "higher power"?

I just don't see it.

[edhopper]

36. The 2 million is more a punishment

than a restitution. It's the way juries send messages in this country when the authorities can't or won't, as the case here.

Not a perfect system, but at least it offers a way for some justice.

[beam me up scottie]

40. "$2,000,000 buys a lot of crack, or meth, or heroin."

My, how progressive of you.

[NYC_SKP]

53. Please explain to me this person's damages that justify $2M.

He had to sit through some sessions during which the term "higher power" was mentioned.

Really?

That would take 125 years to earn at minimum wage.

What makes you think anyone deserves that for being required to attend an AA meeting or whatever the fuck it was?

Feel free to explain.

[Goblinmonger]

55. He was wrongfully imprisoned for 3 months

as a violation of his First Amendment rights. How much do you think the penalty needs to be before other decisions like this stop being made? It needs to hurt.

And this was a settlement so I guarantee you the party that took away his rights unconstitutionally knew that a trial was going to result in a lot bigger punitive verdict.

[NYC_SKP]

62. Five dollars

[Warren Stupidity]

67. That is a pathetic reply.

Your liberty is also, I assume, worth $0.20/day?

[Goblinmonger]

74. At least you made it clear you shouldn't be taken seriously in this discussion.

[beam me up scottie]

56. Please explain why he should have to forfeit the damages because you have issues

Atheists deserve the same protection as any other American, anyone who thinks they don't deserve to be compensated when their rights are violated is a bigot.

I'd ask you to feel free to explain why I shouldn't think you fall into that category but it's too late for that, afaic, you've already showed your true colours.

[NYC_SKP]

64. He suffered no damages. None worth more than $1,000.

He was inconvenienced IMO, didn't lose an eye, wasn't beaten.

[Warren Stupidity]

68. He was wrongfully imprisoned for 100 days.

[beam me up scottie]

69. You see the last two sentences in my post?

Read them again.

[NYC_SKP]

71. Yes, very eloquent and thoughtful. Thank you!

By my math it would take a minimum wage worker 120 years full time to earn that sum.

I speak for the workers when I submit that this man suffered no compensible damages, that this settlement is a mistake and it should have been a fine instead.

[beam me up scottie]

72. No, it's not, but it's really all you deserve for this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=157890

I was under the impression that you didn't think his rights had been violated at all.



You do realize that unless you really consider me your pal that hug smilie is passive aggressive and creepy as all hell, right?

Is that the effect you were going for?

[mr blur]

132. You know, you really do seem keen on speaking up for/on behalf of other people -

There is a whiff of condescension about many of your posts, although I'm sure you don't mean them that way.

[Gore1FL]

42. Hopefully the state will learn to spend it's money better.

In the meantime, this person's rights were violated, and the $2,000,000 is the settlement for that.

This case has as much to do with his drug conviction as cigars had to do with the Michael Brown shooting. Conflating them is a logical flaw that leads to a hindering of justice.

[lunasun]

51. Good for him & he won

[Prophet 451]

125. I would have preferred if it had gone to trial

Knowing how institutional inertia works, my guess is that teh state will continue forcing people to go to 12-step as, since it hasn't gone to trial, it hasn't technically been judged illegal.