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Related: About this forumThe terrible toll of mixing religion and medicine in Ireland
I posted a thread to Womens Rights & Issues group concerning a newly published article about a horrific birthing practice in Ireland and the victims who are just now coming forward.
See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/11384995
At the time I posted that thread I was completely unaware of the practice of symphysiotomy, a barbaric medical procedure outlawed many years ago by most countries but which continued in Ireland until about 1980, thanks to the Catholic Churchs insistence that women bear as many children as possible.
Since I posted that thread I have been reading up on the subject. Be warned most of the stories you will read at these links are ghastly. If this doesnt enrage you, if this doesnt make you demand an end to the meddling of religion in medicine, if this doesnt shame Ireland into granting full reproductive rights for women even in the face of fierce religious opposition, nothing will.
The following articles appear in The Irish Times
WARNING -- GRAPHIC.
http://www.thejournal.ie/a-history-of-symphysiotomy-the-impact-of-catholic-ethics-on-irish-medicine-685296-Nov2012/
http://www.thejournal.ie/symphysiotomy-ward-1587477-Jul2014/
http://www.thejournal.ie/compensation-scheme-symphysiotomy-1548064-Jul2014/
http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/symphysiotomy-documentary-673097-Nov2012/
http://www.thejournal.ie/symphysiotomy-un-1355549-Mar2014/
http://www.thejournal.ie/symphysiotomy-survivors-petition-messages-858418-Apr2013/
Heres one small excerpt and I deliberately chose one that was not too gruesome for the unprepared reader:
http://www.thejournal.ie/symphysiotomy-uncat-1356352-Jul2014/
Hannah
De Valera said, Id like it [the baby] to come on naturally. I was almost a week at home, I was small, and the baby was getting bigger and bigger. I went in again they induced me. I normally do a Caesarean section, De Valera said, but because you are such a good a Catholic, Ill do a symphysiotomy, youre a Catholic family, youd be expected to have at least ten if you have a Caesarean, you can only have three. And, as a Catholic, you need to go through the pains of childbirth if you had a Caesarean, you wouldnt. The baby is as big as yourself why do small women marry big men? Ill have to stretch your hips and straighten your pelvis. Id no idea what a symphysiotomy was.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)That is so repulsive. Ugh, all those poor women. The RCC in particular has always seemed to have this sick obsession with suffering.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)that people should have no dignified alternative to dying a long, slow, agonizing death, because, well, God's Plan blahblahblah.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)My suggestion is that this is not unusual, but a dominant theme in Christianity and the church. I have experienced it and even lived by it. Ive endured things without attempting to change it because it was my duty to suffer long. Rather than take responsibility for my life and become the master of my own destiny, I surrendered my life out of my hands and willingly tolerated pain longer than necessary. If we believe our affliction comes from God and is like Christ, who are we to mess with it?
The inverse is also true: those who unconsciously or consciously embrace this theology invite, allow and encourage others to suffer, even taking it upon themselves to inflict it or not remove it when they have the power to do so.
Its one thing to suffer well, its another thing to invite it and then keep it long after it wants to go. Its one thing to sit with others in their suffering, its another thing to let it continue when you have the power to change things. Christianity can tend to lean in this unhealthy direction.
madmom
(9,681 posts)For my first child I had a difficult labor. I started labor on Sunday afternoon, was sent home because it was "just mild". Monday evening went back with strong contractions. This time they kept me.
Tuesday at noon I still had not given birth and having strong contractions.
They decided to take an xray to see what was wrong.
The nurse told me "that what ever it was, it had a lot of dark curly hair."
The xrays showed a large baby. It still wasn't until after 10:00 P.M. Tuesday that the doc decided to do a c section, this after my husband and father decided to call in another doctor. He knew at noon on Tuesday how big the baby was and did nothing.
After everything was said and done, the nurse (who was an angle) told me if I would have had to have him naturally one or both of us would have died.
BTW.... he was 11 1/2 pounds and 24 inches long at birth. Head diameter was 19".
rug
(82,333 posts)theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Most countries outlawed the practice long ago and I'm sure it's a chapter that the medical community would rather not revisit. It's only now that some of the survivors are coming forward that we're learning about it.
rug
(82,333 posts)IIRC, c-sections were basically mandated if the first child was delivered that way. My mother's abdominal scar is still a vivid memory.