Turkish President Erdogan: women are not equal to men

[edhopper]

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http://news.yahoo.com/erdogan-women-not-equal-men-141047433.html

"You cannot put women and men on an equal footing," Erdogan said. "It is against nature. They were created differently. Their nature is different. Their constitution is different."

Erdogan added: "Motherhood is the highest position ... You cannot explain this to feminists. They don't accept motherhood. They have no such concern."

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[NOLALady]

1. He might have a point.

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I don't know about other men, but women are definitely not on an equal footing with him. They are far superior to him.

[edhopper]

2. good response

[okasha]

3. +100

Turkish women vote. He can put his head between his legs and kiss his ass goodbye.

[trotsky]

5. Ah yes indeed!

Much like the RCC hierarchy ignored the Nuns on the Bus at their own peril!

[edhopper]

6. The way anti-woman candidates

lose here. just look at the last election.

[Cleita]

4. I thought at least we are far more superior to him.

That's one stupid thing to say.

[Act_of_Reparation]

7. What's that? I think I hear Reza Aslan mumbling something in the background...

Reza Aslan: Maher's "Facile" Generalizations of Islam The Definition of Bigotry

LEMON: Reza, be honest, though. For the most part, it is not a free and open society for women in those states.

ASLAN: Well, it's not in Iran. It's not in Saudi Arabia.

It certainly is in Indonesia and Malaysia. It certainly is in Bangladesh. It certainly is in Turkey.

Free and open, indeed. As long as you don't look too closely.

[cbayer]

10. What he is talking about is a reflection of the current society,

which is being threatened by the current government.

In turkey, women do not have to dress any particular way. They can drive. Many women have been elected to significant positions.

This must be read in context. The point he is making is that it is a mistake to assume that all countries that have a large muslim population are the same.

Turkey is by no means perfect but it is very different than Pakistan.

The freedom women have in turkey is under threat and things are looking good.

[Leontius]

11. He's right about turkey,for now, but not in the future if Erdogan is allowed to trun

a secular Turkey into his caliphate.

[cbayer]

8. Turkey had the potential to be a country of religious tolerance and

is, instead, heading in exactly the opposite direction. I have been to Istanbul, where there is a wide variety of religious expression and tolerance. Non-belief is generally accepted as well. There also appeared to be a culture of freedom and rights for women.

But outside the city, things change dramatically. In the fight between those who want tolerance and a heterogenous community and those who want a strict Islamic state, the Islamists are winning.

It's very unfortunate.

Your snarky refrain after the quote has become a frequent one around here. All I can figure is that it is being used as some kind of pre-emptive strike. By predicting some kind of position that really doesn't exist, what is accomplished.

[trotsky]

9. OMFKoresh!!!

Your snarky refrain after the quote has become a frequent one around here. All I can figure is that it is being used as some kind of pre-emptive strike. By predicting some kind of position that really doesn't exist, what is accomplished.

Why didn't you have a damn thing to say about the snarky refrain at the end of this OP? Hell, you joined in bashing those who might take offense at being compared to Nazis. Jesus fuck.

[edhopper]

12. I thought

this might raise some hackles, so owned the fact that I might be starting a bit of a kerfuffle.

That's all.

[cbayer]

13. No, not the last line. The preemptive strike launched in the paragraph after the quote.

Why would you think this would cause a kerfuffle anyway?

See, I think that is a reflection of how distorted the view of some of the members that post here is.

You predicted that there would be a response that would dismiss his remarks as not being representative of some section of Muslims, which it certainly is, and the case would be made that this position couldn't be criticized or recognized as a problem within the muslim community.

What a bunch of baloney.

Good thing you went with the dare. Who knows what would have happened if you had chosen truth.

[edhopper]

14. Well

I guess everybody sees a large part of the Muslim world, even in the "tolerant" countries, are highly mysoginistic.
So I guess their is no pot to stir if every one sees that.

My bad, no pot.

[okasha]

15. Hey, it wasn't a total failure.

You managed to stir up hate against the Nuns on the Bus (and Pope Francis by implication), Reza Aslan and cbayer. Your buddies should give you at least partial credit.

[edhopper]

16. Yeah

I guess what anyone post on a thread is the OP's fault.

[okasha]

21. Your own words:

You said you'd post this "if I
want to cause trouble."

That makes you responsible.

[edhopper]

31. I guess my tongue in cheek tone

did not get through.

Though the people I was actually speaking to on the other forum, seemed to get it.

But if you want a mea culpa that I thought this thread might cause some arguments, sure, I did.

But to my chagrin the main argument is over my snarky comments, not the content of the post.

[cbayer]

37. To your chagrin? I'm not feeling the sincerity here.

Did you really think someone was going to jump to the defense of this man and the type of islam he attributes to his stated beliefs?

If you did, I guess that you really should step back and reassess your misperceptions. Did you do it to get some slaps on the back?

[edhopper]

43. I thought some one

might say he represents a small part of Islam, or that his views are not about religion but cultural.

These arguments have been made in the past.

I didn't think anyone would defend him.

No slaps that I am aware of.



....Just checked back, nope, no slaps on the back. Don't know why I would get any, I didn't risk anything posting this.

[cbayer]

45. It is indeed a part of Islam, but not all Islam, but I think

you know that. He makes it clear that his views are about religion. It is this religious group that is steering Turkey into very dangerous waters. That's a pretty widely accepted view, I think.

[edhopper]

46. I would like to see a discussion about this statement

let's see what happens when I remove my snarky comments.

[cbayer]

47. I think this horse may have left the barn, but it is a topic that probably would have

wide support from both believers and non-believers.

But, in my experience, those topics generally die on the vine, lol.

[edhopper]

48. That is probably true

but at least we can stop talking about my "motivation" which doesn't have much to do with anything.

[cbayer]

49. The whole "if I want to cause trouble" part set a negative tone.

I don't think you can expect much positive when that happens.

[edhopper]

50. except I said that

on another forum, to members who would get my levity. It was not in my post here.

So if people want to make this post about what I said elsewhere, I guess they can, seems a waste of time to me.

I am replying to you on this, but I am not replying anymore about me in this thread.

[trotsky]

30. Don't take it personally, ed.

They're just steamed their friend was exposed as a tax-dodging, hypocritical elitist. So now blood must be spilled, and your posting of a throwaway comment with your OP is as good a crime as any to distract and deflect with.

[edhopper]

33. Who's that?

What did i miss?

[trotsky]

34. I'll PM you. n/t

[hrmjustin]

35. I think a members taxes are their own business.

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Did she inform you what her taxes were? If not why are you discussing this here?

[edhopper]

39. I didn't get it either, but

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218165443#post39

[hrmjustin]

41. There is a group here obsessed with her and show it daily.

[cbayer]

26. Nuns on the bus, Reza Aslan and I are being grouped together as a target of hate?

This is a club I am proud to be a part of.

[okasha]

28. Law of Unintended Consequences.

[cbayer]

36. Or not?

[trotsky]

29. Hate, no.

As examples of failure, yes.

[cbayer]

23. No pot???

What the hell? Do you live in one of the dry states?

[edhopper]

24. Yeah

But medical is on it's way.

[cbayer]

38. Hope it's the mellowing kind.

I like you best like that.

[edhopper]

40. Oh

this stuff here is mostly intellectual debate, you haven't seen me really ranting.

[cbayer]

42. Perhaps one day, edhopper. I rarely rant and it's very hard to truly push my

buttons, but not impossible.

[edhopper]

44. The stuff on GD about the Repukes get's my ire up.

and though there are stories here that are a true outrage,(horrible things done in the name of religion) I don't get too upset with the members.

Someone acting like an a-hole on an internet forum is far down the list of things to bother me.

[rug]

17. Admit it. You put it here because it was going nowhere in A&A.

[edhopper]

18. What does that mean?

You read my A&A post obviously.
I asked for a cross post and the OP there said go ahead.not wanting to do it himself.
Should I just assume all the believers any pro-theist here read A&A?
If so I guess I waisted my time.

[rug]

19. "(admittingly stirring the pot.)"

[edhopper]

20. I figured the reaction would

Contenscious here. Or at least acknowledging it might be.

It's interesting that this thread about a head of state is getting less reaction than one about an FSU student.
I have no idea if that means anything at all, just interesting, or not.?

[okasha]

22. Translation:

"Eeeeek! Look behind you!"

When cornered, deflect.

[edhopper]

25. What am I

Deflecting from?

[okasha]

27. Your stated intention for the OP.

[edhopper]

32. My intention was to post this story

I also thought it would cause some of the arguments that other posts of this kind have here.
So i said so in a joking way that obviously didn't get through.

If you think my snarky remarks are more important than those of a country's leader. That's fine.

But what more do you want from this discussion? I leave you to think of me what you will. I don't see the point in taking this further.

[LeftishBrit]

51. Way to antagonize 50% of voters

Erdogan is an unpleasant reactionary in lots of ways, unfortunately.

[edhopper]

52. The GOP does it here

and keeps winning. They are unpleasant reactionaries as well.

[LeftishBrit]

53. Is 'Erdogan' the Turkish for 'Santorum'?

[edhopper]

54. heh heh