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Embrace Judeo-Christian culture and values! Is this politician serious?
The apostles creed shows that Christianity is based on having to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that the guilty should be forgiven if a suitable human sacrifice is made to God.
I suggest that having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. Immoral regardless of the victim volunteering or not which is not the case with Jesus.
That is one of many moral tenets that have cause secular governments to reject Judeo-Christian culture and values.
The bible is a compilation of evil acts by a satanic God and no moral man would every push to have Judeo-Christian culture and values implemented as our law. The U.S. is the closes to that ideal and their jail statistics are the most dismal in the free world.
Would you promote Judeo-Christian culture and values?
Regards
DL
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)edhopper
(33,587 posts)your values are shaped by the Enlightenment as much as they are the Bible.
I would guess you don't think the Bible should be the basis of our laws or that the Church has a say in government policy.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)edhopper
(33,587 posts)I would think you disagree with this politician.
And I don't know that you have Jude-Chrisitain values.
Now, I am very sure you can point to places of Jesus saying something to explain your values, but I am also sure you reject other things in the Bible. And you can't be sure what the Bible actually tells you to value.
So your values come from a variety of sources, like most of us, and you try to go forward as well as you can.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I identify with the term as well.
edhopper
(33,587 posts)I was just pointing out that your values are only somewhat shaped by the Bible.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Try again.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Perhaps your response should have been "Facts. no thanks!"
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Try reading what I wrote.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)...I describe my atheist values.
What is your favorite color?
whathehell
(29,067 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)... using a 'christian' message to justify hatred of immigrants, and other miscellaneous folks that aren't white...
There is nothing remotely "christ-like" about him, or his party of ignorant, racist fuckwads...
rug
(82,333 posts)do I ere?
Is Jesus and his death at his fathers hands for us not what Christianity is based on?
Yes it is. Take Jesus off the cross and he is nothing.
That is why Christianity flies the cross.
Regards
DL
whathehell
(29,067 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)try to paint atheists as "literalists" simply for pointing out the plain truth that a lot of Christians take portions of the Bible literally, and that those who claim that Christian literalists are a teensy little minority are dead wrong? Do you really think that the people you're trying to smear think that any of the Bible is the literal word of god? Seriously? if so, you're guilty of grotesque intellectual dishonesty or just plain laziness.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Greatest I am
(235 posts)to engage literalists, one must play by their rules.
Do you think that only atheists see substitutionary atonement for the immoral practice that it is?
Regards
DL
TM99
(8,352 posts)Why would you have to 'play by their rules'?
If someone is being literalistic about something, must you respond with literalism?
For example, with regards to substitutionary atonement, if we take it literally, then yes, it appears to be an immoral practice. Let us sacrifice one life for the sake of others salvation. The literal act of crucifixion is horrific.
Now if we instead view substitutionary atonement as a metaphor or even an archetypal reality, we can then see that it is less horrific and more empathic. We see voluntary sacrifice for the good of others. The scapegoat is a universal concept in the religious traditions of the west dating back to early Jewish pagan practices.
We may also see an example of heroism in such an act of atonement. How many firemen risked their lives and ultimately died trying to save as many as they could at ground zero on 9/11? Their sacrifices allowed others to live.
The problem with literalistic beliefs in religion is that they do veer us away from the universal and the human psychological condition, and instead head towards horror, separateness, and the immoral. If we counter them with equal forms of literalism, then the same will occur on that side. Did the anti-theist man in NC who murdered three Muslims respond with literal anti-theism against what he viewed as literal Islamic terrorism?
Greatest I am
(235 posts)as your scenario was not exact.
I target literalists because they are the ones creating the problem with their literal beliefs.
I do not target those who already think in a better way.
I look for the sick. Not the well.
Remember as well that most Christians have to believe in a literal Jesus even if they do not read anything else literally.
All who fly the cross are morally corrupted.
Regards
DL
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Bigoted much?
TM99
(8,352 posts)Were you raised in a strict religious family or region? Have you suffered because of it? Are you filled with rage and hurt? Where you once an evangelical believer and now a born-again atheist?
The reason I ask these questions is that you sound no different than a extremist on the other side.
You consider all who are Christian to be morally corrupt. You look for 'sickness' as you define it and associate 'sickness' with religion.
You target the opposition. And in a companion thread, you want government to destroy the Bible and the Qu'ran.
You are no different!
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Scary stuff, imo.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)They were here a few months back extolling the virtues of Gnosticism.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)firmly on my wallet, and back slowly the other way while keeping an eye on them.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)Cuz if we do I want to have another Great Flood that destroys millions.
What's not to like about that?
And there's some other neat stuff in that Bible we could try. Although we need to try 'em before we do the great flood.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Theist? Atheist? Agnostic? Something else?