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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:04 PM Mar 2015

Pope Francis Attacks The Corrupting Influence Of Money In Elections

His Holiness Pope Francis called upon candidates in his home nation of Argentina to hold a “free, unfinanced campaign” during a question and answer session with low-income youth from Buenos Aires. The Pope also warned that campaign donations lead elected officials to act against the interests of the people. “In the financing of electoral campaigns, many interests get into the mix,” according to Francis, “and then they send you the bill.”

The Pope’s comments place him at odds with five other very prominent Catholics — the five justices who joined the Supreme Court’s decision in Citizens United v. FEC. That opinion did not simply deny that huge influxes of money can corrupt elected officials, at least when that money goes to allegedly independent groups such as super PACs; it even suggested that the use of money to obtain greater access to politicians is an objective moral good:

Favoritism and influence are not . . . avoidable in representative politics. It is in the nature of an elected representative to favor certain policies, and, by necessary corollary, to favor the voters and contributors who support those policies. It is well understood that a substantial and legitimate reason, if not the only reason, to cast a vote for, or to make a contribution to, one candidate over another is that the candidate will respond by producing those political outcomes the supporter favors. Democracy is premised on responsiveness.


The Pope also suggested that he would support a public financing system, noting that such a method of funding elections “would allow for me, the citizen, to know that I’m financing each candidate with a given amount of money.” The same five conservative justices who decided Citizens United, however, have also made public financing virtually impossible to implement successfully in the United States.

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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/03/11/3632295/pope-francis-attacks-corrupting-influence-money-elections/
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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
1. It would nice if he included this in his remarks when he comes to the US.
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:19 PM
Mar 2015

Not that it would change a single thing, but it would be great.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
2. The pope and the Catholic Church are about the poorest authorities
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 07:05 PM
Mar 2015

on how to run a democracy that anyone could imagine.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
3. Do you disagree with what the Pope said?...
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 07:58 PM
Mar 2015
Favoritism and influence are not . . . avoidable in representative politics. It is in the nature of an elected representative to favor certain policies, and, by necessary corollary, to favor the voters and contributors who support those policies. It is well understood that a substantial and legitimate reason, if not the only reason, to cast a vote for, or to make a contribution to, one candidate over another is that the candidate will respond by producing those political outcomes the supporter favors. Democracy is premised on responsiveness.



The Pope also suggested that he would support a public financing system, noting that such a method of funding elections “would allow for me, the citizen, to know that I’m financing each candidate with a given amount of money.” The same five conservative justices who decided Citizens United, however, have also made public financing virtually impossible to implement successfully in the United States.


If you do disagree, would you say why, please? TIA.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
4. Do you agree that the pope has no authority
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 08:27 PM
Mar 2015

to comment on civil matters? Or do you think that anyone who claims that is an asshole?

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
6. WTH are you talking about?..
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 08:33 PM
Mar 2015

I asked a question. I did not call anyone an asshole. Get it? I asked a question, nothing more, nothing less. Why you're becoming hysterical is beyond me.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
7. Of course you wouldn't know
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:08 PM
Mar 2015

what a shock.

And do be careful about using the word "hysterical". The uber-feminists here will regard that as virulently sexist, no matter the context.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
5. Will he commit to having the RCC
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 08:29 PM
Mar 2015

keep their noses out of politics? Stop pushing abortion laws, health insurance exceptions, and other legislation? I don't see that anywhere in his "wonderful" statement.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
9. Yes, the RCC would love to have money out of US politics
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:26 PM
Mar 2015

Does anyone think it's a coincidence that what the pope is proposing would increase THEIR influence over American politicians?

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
12. Are we to fawn over Pope Awesome because he has said something vaguely liberal?
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 10:30 AM
Mar 2015

That's impression that I get from posts such as these.

Look, I'm going to put it simply:

The process by which you reach a conclusion is as important to me as the conclusion itself. Yes, Pope Awesome and I may share a few ostensibly similar political positions, but I find the process by which he reaches these conclusions unreliable at best. Because while he's railing against money in politics, his own fucking Bishops throw around their weight as high-ranking spiritual leaders within one of the world's more populous Christian denominations so that they might affect domestic policy in their respective nations.

Whether the currency is money or faith, lobbying is lobbying.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
14. I don't think anyone expects you to fawn over anything.
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 02:10 PM
Mar 2015

The article is from Think Progress and they are reporting it because they are strong advocates of public financing for elections.

They also note that he is in direct opposition to the Catholics on SCOTUS in terms of their Citizens United ruling.

This is not to say that he is right on every issue or that his own house doesn't need some serious cleaning.

One has to really do a pretzel act to find a way to attack this position.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
13. Interesting, would be a stronger argument if he instructed his bishops here to also stop...
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 02:02 PM
Mar 2015

corrupting our electoral system and stop lobbying to restrict the rights of U.S. citizens.

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