Cardinal Raymond Burke: Gays, Remarried Catholics Are Just As Sinful As Murderers

[CanonRay]

(RNS) When Pope Francis last year effectively demoted U.S. Cardinal Raymond Burke by moving him out of a senior post in the Vatican to a largely ceremonial role as head of a Rome-based Catholic charity, it was viewed as a way to sideline one of the pontiff’s most outspoken critics on the right.

But the move seems to have left Burke free to air his conservative — and pointed — views on efforts to change church practices, not that he was ever terribly hesitant about speaking his mind.

Now the American churchman has spoken out again, telling an interviewer that gay couples and divorced and remarried Catholics who are trying to live good and faithful lives are still like “the person who murders someone and yet is kind to other people.”


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/27/cardinal-raymond-burke-gay-remarried-murderers_n_6957456.html



OK, now he's gone too far...he's not only insulted my gay friends, he's insulted my mother, a re-married Catholic.

[hrmjustin]

1. I believe my being gay is a gift from God.

The cardinal should take a vow of silence.

[okasha]

6. Forget Malta.

Pack him off to Barrow and let him preach to the polar bears.

[hrmjustin]

7. Good idea. the man is bitter and is just saying shit to be hurtful.

I believes he believes this shit too.

[okasha]

18. The bears won't.

[Politicalboi]

2. Says the asshole who

Belongs to an organization that hides and supports pedophiles.

[cbayer]

3. Burke is a loose cannon. He needs to be cut loose and/or reprimanded.

Obvious he learned nothing from being demoted.

[skepticscott]

4. Oh yes, reprimand him

Or maybe have one of those nuns on a bus whack his knuckles with a ruler. That would be a harsher punishment than Francis will ever advocate for such a good Catholic.

And why would being demoted teach him anything that would take the place of a lifetime's indoctrination in the love and charity of the Catholic Church?

[John1956PA]

8. He is a tight canon. He follows strict canon law.

Not that my opinion matters, as I am a former Catholic, now atheist.

Best wishes.

[cbayer]

9. He's openly shows defiance and disparagement of the pope.

I'm not sure that that part follows strict canon law.

Your open certainly matters.

[LiberalAndProud]

10. If we agreed with him, that would be a good thing.

Obsequence to authority in and of itself is not a virtue. Whether right or wrong, the man is defending the scriptures as he understands them.

[cbayer]

12. Agree. It's not the challenge of authority that I was objecting to,

only trying to make the point that he doesn't follow the rules completely, just the ones he like.

[LiberalAndProud]

13. Right.

It's an anathema to me to defend a man who holds views which I violently oppose. I will just say that, for him, this is a matter of conscience. Now, please everybody, roast away.

[cbayer]

17. I'm not sure it's a matter of conscience.

He was very ambitious and very angry when this pope was selected.

There may be a seed of conscience in there, but I would bet that ambition is what really fed his flame.

[LiberalAndProud]

21. Right. Because there is no scriptural basis for his position.

Since this man's position is illustrative of my argument with the text, I tend to ascribe it less to personal ambition than to scriptural conviction. I will confess that I perceive this through my own bias.

[cbayer]

22. That's not my point.

The fact that he is using an interpretation of the scripture to justify his position doesn't mean that he is following his conscience. I trust him zero.

Anyone that gets as far as he did in this intensely political environment is driven by ambition and probably gave up their conscience some time ago. Unfortunately I think that's true all the way up to the top. But his party lost when they chose this pope and he's really pissed off.

[LiberalAndProud]

24. From what you said, we might agree on this.

The entire hierarchy of the church is devoid of conscience and corrupted by political ambition.

Too sweeping, I know. Just trying to follow your train of thought.

[cbayer]

25. I think it's worse the further up you go.

I don't think that they are devoid of conscience but it gets thinner the higher the altitude.

It's that way in every political organization I know. People begin compromising what they believe in in order to gain more power.

I think there are some really wonderful people in the catholic church hierarchy, but they are not likely to advance very far. Just like in our political parties.

[LiberalAndProud]

26. What you said right there is simply the truth.

[cbayer]

29. It is my sincere pleasure to be on the same page with you.

[skepticscott]

30. Then you must believe that pope francis

also gave up his conscience a long time ago. Which makes it strange that you would support him so unabashedly.

As far as Burke, nothing he is espousing contradicts well-established Catholic doctrine, only the doctrine that apologists pretend is in place.

[Itchinjim]

5. Assholes like this guy are pretty much what drove me out of the Church.

And pretty much why I don't come back.

[beam me up scottie]

11. Isn't this the same guy who said that the Catholic Church had become too “feminized”?

He's already insulted half the human race.

[hrmjustin]

14. The same guy.

[beam me up scottie]

15. How christian of him.

*Not a slam on you justin (or any other liberal christian), it's a fuck you to all the people who use the word 'christian' as a synonym for 'ethical'.

[hrmjustin]

16. I know. He is a creep.

Nothing Christ like about him.

[okasha]

19. He's making inroads on the other half, too.

[beam me up scottie]

20. How many does he have to piss off before they get rid of the abusive bigot?

Demoting him was obviously ineffective.

[okasha]

23. Oh, I think he's past that point already.

The trick will be to get rid of him without making a martyr of him.

[Dawson Leery]

27. Cardinal Raymond Burke is a Great Whore from Babylon.

Just as hateful as all other religious reactionaries.

Jesus would never be the one to condemn the divorced and gays to death.

[LiberalAndProud]

28. How do you know that Jesus wouldn't?

9"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

[longship]

31. And how about priests' buggery, Cardinal?

And how about a church that shelters and covers up such behavior?

I won't wait for your response, Cardinal.
Why don't you just shut your yap until your hypocritical church answers for their sins.

[haikugal]

32. Hate to break it to you...

He's been insulting your mother and all women for 2000 years....this is not news...what the hell?