Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

[Greatest I am]

Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Have you seen this rather well done movie?

They end asking about a God who tortures babies as God did to King David’s baby.
God also killed many innocent babies in his great flood as well as the innocent first born of Egypt.

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ca/2010/02/gods-73rd-killing-god-slowly-kills-baby.html

Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Regards
DL

[Lil Missy]

1. What a stupid question. n/t

[AtheistCrusader]

3. You'd think it a no brainier, and yet the abrahamic God is strangely popular here.

[Greatest I am]

21. Only

to those who have their heads right up God's ass and do not want to look at his morals.

Regards
DL

[AtheistCrusader]

2. No, and I question the morals of anyone who follows such a god.

[LostOne4Ever]

4. IBtL

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]No I don't. And I echo Atheist Crusader's sentiments.

That said, I don't think this thread will last but a few minutes before getting locked.[/font]

[Warren Stupidity]

13. why would this be locked?

It is a classic theological problem.

[LostOne4Ever]

16. Yeah, Just thought someone would get offended and alert

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Theodicy exposes one the greatest problems for those who proclaim an all benevolent AND all powerful god, and I thought the OP did it in such a shocking way they would get shut down.[/font]

[TM99]

5. Indeed, what a silly question.

Do you believe in a God that murders babies? Do you take it literally?

If you do not, then you are just posting flamebait which is one of the main reasons I rarely post in this forum anymore.

[AtheistCrusader]

8. I recognize a lot of people believe in a God that is detailed to be a mass

Murderer of children, yes.

I don't take the bible literally, and don't believe in any God, but I see a lot of people that do, and they embrace the concept of that monster, yes.

[AtheistCrusader]

9. Is it really flame bait, or do you simply have no defense whatsoever?

You realize most atheists have an excellent grasp of the contents of the abrahamic bible, right?

It's all right there in that collection of horror stories.

[Warren Stupidity]

10. Do you think your god is omnipotent?

Do you think none of the supernatural bullshit in the bible should be taken literally?

[Greatest I am]

17. My belief is irrelevant.

As a Gnostic Christian, all I am doing is following what your bible teaches.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

Seems you like to think this other way.

http://imgur.com/IBroXK9

Regards
DL

[TM99]

22. It is not 'my' Bible.

Oh, yeah, I remember you. The 'gnostic Christian' who isn't really gnostic or Christian.

Carry on.....

[The Animator]

6. I always think of the story of Issac

God commands the dude to murder his own son, as a sacrifice to appease him. Then at the last minute, as the crazy fanatic bastard is actually about to do it, the angels show up and was like, "Dude stop, God was just screwing with you, he wanted to see if you were crazy enough to actually do it,... and apparently you are... just put the knife down and slowly back away."

That seems like a pretty dick move right there.. if some diety commanded I kill a kid... any kid let alone my own if I ever have one... I'd tell him to fuck himself, then try and figure out how to kill a god...

[Warren Stupidity]

11. HOW TO: Kill a God.

1. stop believing in the god.
2. convince others to stop believing in this god too.

[Mariana]

14. No angels came to save Jephthah's daughter

when her father murdered her as a sacrifice to that same god. According to the story in Judges 11, Jephthah is only upset because she was his only child, and after she died he would have no descendants. He doesn't seem to have any problem with the idea of human sacrifice in general, and one gets the impression that if it had been a servant (read: slave) who was murdered in this fashion, no one would repeat any stories about it and it wouldn't have been in the book at all.

[Greatest I am]

18. You see 20/20

[the_sly_pig]

7. Circumcision..

Is it torture or just mutilation?

[Warren Stupidity]

12. olive garden!

[mr blur]

24. Mutilation and possibly torture for girls.

But they don't really count in most religions, do they?

[cbayer]

15. Excellent movie and worth re-watching.

It raises lots of complex questions that are not that easily answered.

[Greatest I am]

19. For sure.

It does give insight in why people cling to a God. Even one they do not particularly like.

Regards
DL

[AtheistCrusader]

20. Such as?

[Greatest I am]

23. Such as

how Jews and Christians are alike in following Gods they think are less than moral.

Jews admit to their God's immorality while Christians deny the immorality and thus show their own immorality as thy have to create a double moral standard where they forgive their vile God for doing the same things that they would condemn any man for doing.

Like torturing babies.

Jews have always been more intelligent about God than Christians.

Regards
DL

[edhopper]

25. Well

if the baby knows where a ticking time bomb is, a lot of people think it would be a-ok.

[AtheistCrusader]

37. An excellent point.

And a point in favor of the 'man created God in his image' scenario.

[cantbeserious]

26. In The Affairs Of Man - Never - For Gods - I Am Incapable Of Answering

eom

[Greatest I am]

27. Do you mean

that if you were there and saw God at work on King David's baby, that you would not do anything?

Regards
DL

[cantbeserious]

28. What Power Does Man Have When In The Presence Of God

eom

[AtheistCrusader]

29. All of them. All that you normally have.

Whether gods exist or not.

[cantbeserious]

30. Which Pale In Comparison To Any God As Humans Understand The Concept

eom

[AtheistCrusader]

35. Still worth it.

People have spoken up in opposition even in the face of certain death before. Sometimes it helps.

[trotsky]

36. "as humans understand"?

You mean as humans have postulated, right? No one knows whether gods exist, and even if they do, what properties they might have. No one.

[Greatest I am]

33. The power to point and say

you are acting in a satanic way. If you do not then you are in Satan's power.

Regards
DL

[cbayer]

31. I looked but couldn't find this phrase elsewhere.

Is it yours or is it from something else? Very thought provoking.

[trotsky]

32. So in other words, you know it's wrong for humans to torture a baby...

but it might be ok for gods?

[Greatest I am]

34. Christians are fond

of condemning people for the same infractions they just adore their God doing.

That double standard of morality is what makes Christianity an evil creed.

Regards
DL

[goldent]

38. I say no.

[Greatest I am]

39. A moral guy.

Nice.

Do you fear God for not agreeing with him?

Or like me, do you think him a myth and just judge his evilness by what scriptures say?

Regards
DL

[goldent]

40. None of the above.

But that's alright. As I learned a long time ago...

Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum,
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.

It takes, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.