Is a religious institution that advocates aganst LGBT equality promoting bigotry?

[Warren Stupidity]

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[skepticscott]

1. Yes. And so are those

who support or defend such an organization in any way. The inevitable denials notwithstanding.

[Warren Stupidity]

3. Seems obvious to me.

[merrily]

2. Yes. I have heard pastors, hetero and not, preach against that kind of bigotry in beautiful ways.

If I were a churchgoer, I'd seek out churches with that kind of pastor.

[rurallib]

4. the part I love is when they claim it is god's law

or some such crap.

[Angry Dragon]

24. god is the trump card

[trotsky]

5. Yes and it's pathetic seeing people try to defend those institutions on a progressive website.

Thankfully DU's ignore feature still works, and I can be spared from the most prolific of the bigotry defenders.

[rug]

6. I think a passive-aggression filter would do much more than an ignore button.

[Warren Stupidity]

7. you could always vote "no".

You know you want to. Just do it.

[rug]

8. No, I'm warring on stupid polls.

[Warren Stupidity]

9. why is the question stupid?

[rug]

11. It makes assumptions and is designed as a loyalty oath.

It's also trolling the room.

[Promethean]

12. Almost every religion requires shows of loyalty.

You definitely cannot exclude your own so stones in glass houses and all that.

[rug]

14. That would be pithy only if you consider atheism a religion. Do you?

[Warren Stupidity]

13. where "loyalty oath" means agreeing that "advocating against lgbt equality" is bigotry

yes indeed that is something I would think all of us here would agree on.

[rug]

15. Agreement doesn't require loyalty oaths.

Joseph McCarthy does.

I'm glad you acknowledged your poll for what it is.

Yes, indeed.

[AtheistCrusader]

16. The other thread is down from 67 to 10 posts for me now.

It slices, it dices, it removes superfluous posters.

[Goblinmonger]

17. I just used the magic slice and dicer, too.

That thread sucks a lot less now.

This one doesn't seem too bad, either.

[AtheistCrusader]

25. And the best part is, only had to put one person on ignore.

[edhopper]

10. I wonder if some people's answer would be the same

If the question was "is a political party that advocates...."?

[skepticscott]

20. I've noticed that none of the people

who usually defend the RCC tooth and nail have dared to go on record as a "no" vote. Nor have they been willing to stand up for what's right and vote "yes".

[rug]

21. That's because we're not gullible.

I seriously doubt voting in this particular poll is much of a stand.

I must be a skeptic.

[beam me up scottie]

22. One of them did in the GD poll:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026820527

They even went out of their way to defend bigots who believe in "traditional" marriage.

[Lordquinton]

18. People really don't want to think about tough questions

Of face the facts that their dogma is inherently bigoted. Some here have directly quoted the bigoted lines from the catachism and denied seeing any sort of problem.

[guillaumeb]

27. What a catty remark about my dogma.

People of faith are not all sheep, you know.

[Lordquinton]

32. Bah!

Baaaaah I say!

[guillaumeb]

33. Well said. But enough horsing around, back to the fray!! eom

[beam me up scottie]

19. There's no option for "Well duh" so I went with yes.

I like your polls, very simple, no room for butts.

[Act_of_Reparation]

23. There's always room for butts.

[beam me up scottie]

34. Minions!

[guillaumeb]

26. I voted "no" because your poll was resembling North Korean election results. eom

[rug]

28. The votes there are framed the same way.

"Do you upport the Glorious People's Democratic Republic or Do You Support the Capitalist Running Dogs of Oppression?"

[guillaumeb]

30. very well put, rug. Very well put. And with the same (expected) results?

[Humanist_Activist]

38. I thought you already agreed that the parts of your church's Catechism was bigoted?

Are you now changing your mind on that?

[rug]

40. You thought wrong.

If you're talking about the "intrinsically disordered" language, I already told you it's wrong, which is not the same thing at all as bigoted. The language is virtually identical to the language in the DSM at the time it was written.

Did you forget or are you reshaping past conversations into a more malleable form?

[Humanist_Activist]

42. I would say that both the DSM and Catechism language was and is bigoted...

the DSM has since been revised, the Catechism has not.

I have perhaps misremembered and/or read too much into it, I didn't bother searching for that post, so sorry I misrepresented your position.

[rug]

43. There's no shame in being wrong.

[Humanist_Activist]

39. Wouldn't a better framing be this? "Is an institution that advocates aganst racial equality racist?"

n/t

[rug]

41. No. Here's why.

It simultaneously provides too little information while assuming facts not in evidence.

It leads to a circular discussion that is as productive as asking, Is water wet?

This poll is not in the least designed to produce anything but hollow high fives.

You already know that.

[Humanist_Activist]

44. That's part of the point, for some people it isn't obvious, its kinda like when I made this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218126927

And yet a some people argued against it, yet if the subject was David Duke, no one, at least on this board, would have argued about it.

[Warren Stupidity]

29. interesting reaction.

Seems like a simple question with an obvious answer for all of those who actually support lgbt equality. On the other hand if one thinks that there ought to be a religious exemption for bigotry I could understand why this question would provoke a reaction such as yours.

[guillaumeb]

31. A definition:

noun: humour; noun: humor; noun: cardinal humor; plural noun: cardinal humors
the quality of being amusing or comic, especially as expressed in literature or speech.
"his tales are full of humor"

synonyms: comedy, comical aspect, funny side, fun, amusement, funniness, hilarity, jocularity; More
absurdity, ludicrousness, drollness;

satire, irony, farce
•the ability to express humor or make other people laugh.
"their inimitable brand of humor"


2.
a mood or state of mind.
"her good humor vanished"

synonyms: mood, temper, disposition, temperament, nature, state of mind, frame of mind; spirits
"his good humor was infectious"

3

comply with the wishes of (someone) in order to keep them content, however unreasonable such wishes might be.
"she was always humoring him to prevent trouble"


synonyms: indulge, accommodate, pander to, cater to, yield to, give way to, give in to, go along with; More


I see that I have failed in my attempt that was motivated by #1 in the definitions.

[Warren Stupidity]

35. my mistake. Your satire was a victim of poe's law.

My player roster went missing as well.

[guillaumeb]

36. Not a problem. Given that I did intend it as humor, how did you like it?

[Warren Stupidity]

37. it had the correctly smug tone. Fooled me.