Cardinal Sarah says the Christian family counters both Islamic, Western extremism

[trotsky]

http://www.ewtnnews.com/catholic-news/Vatican.php?id=12779

Cardinal Robert Sarah has told the Synod of Bishops they should respond to the twin threats of Western and Islamic radicals by helping the world realize the beauty of the Christian family.

“To use a slogan, we find ourselves between ‘gender ideology and ISIS.’ Islamic massacres and libertarian demands regularly contend for the front page of the newspapers,” the cardinal said last week in his intervention at the synod. “From these two radicalizations arise the two major threats to the family.”

He compared the twin challenges of “the idolatry of Western freedom” and Islamic fundamentalism to two “apocalyptic beasts.”

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“We need to be inclusive and welcoming to all that is human; but what comes from the Enemy cannot and must not be assimilated,” the cardinal advised. “You cannot join Christ and Belial! What Nazi fascism and communism were in the 20th century, Western homosexual and abortion ideologies and Islamic fanaticism are today.”

Yes folks, the notion that two same-sex people who love each other should be able to get married is JUST AS RADICAL (and deadly) to the notion of family as is Muslim extremism.

Thanks, RCC!

[Wellstone ruled]

1. How long before Pope Frankie takes this

Hate filled so called Religious spoke person to the wood shed.

[trotsky]

2. Oh I'm sure any day now!

"Who am I to judge?"

[yellowcanine]

3. Whoa for a moment there I thought Cardinal Sarah was a woman.

Talk about a game changer!

[Warren Stupidity]

4. I assumed it was Palin.

[yellowcanine]

7. Oh that is even funnier.

[Act_of_Reparation]

5. In before someone says "I'll never go to a church in Guinea."

Well, anyone I haven't ignored at any rate.

[rug]

6. The synod is stressing the fractures.

This deserves more than a throwaway line and a smiley.

Here it is, from a secular source:

Africans Defend Conservative
Line on Gays, Divorce at Catholic Bishops’ Synod



Cardinal Wilfred F. Napier, here at an April prayer vigil in Durban, South Africa, has suggested that African Catholics feel betrayed by the liberal shift among his European peers. Photo: Agence France-Presse/Getty Images

Disagreement over two contentious issues has broken down largely along regional, racial lines

By Francis X. Rocca

VATICAN CITY—As Catholic bishops meet to debate possible changes in the church’s approach to issues such as divorce and homosexuality, one contingent has come out firmly in defense of tradition: the Africans.

More than 250 bishops from around the world are gathered in Rome in a meeting known as a synod to discuss the Catholic Church’s approach to a range of family issues. But the sharpest debate at the synod, which ends in late October, has focused on the eligibility of divorced, remarried Catholics to receive Communion and proposals for a less censorious line on gay Catholics.

The deep disagreements, which have burst into the open at times during the bishops’ discussions, have broken down largely along regional and racial lines. Those tensions epitomize a divide between Catholicism’s growth in the global south and its decline in the church’s historical heartland.

While just 54 Africans are attending, they have emerged as the standard-bearers for conservatives defending traditional Catholic teaching on family issues. One conservative Catholic magazine ran an article last month entitled, “The Africans Will Save the Synod, the Church and the World.”

On Oct. 6, two days into the meeting, Cardinal Robert Sarah of Guinea warned the synod that the modern family faced “two unexpected threats, almost like two apocalyptic beasts, located on opposite poles: on the one hand, the idolatry of Western freedom; on the other, Islamic fundamentalism.”

http://www.wsj.com/articles/africans-defend-conservative-line-on-gays-divorce-at-catholic-bishops-synod-1444901457

In many ways, this parallels the rift in the Anglican communion.

[Bluenorthwest]

8. African Bishops and the RCC forbid the use of condoms while over 100,000 Africans die each month

from AIDS. They affect, as did Francis, that they are concerned about threats to the family, but they fail to mention the untold millions of AIDS orphans when they do. Uganda is 44% Catholic, 7.2% of the population has HIV and they have 10x the deaths the US has in spite of having 1/10 the population. Sexual and health education is rare and just 13% of adult Ugandans say they have ever used a condom even once. The number of AIDS created orphans in Uganda is well over 650,000. 'Threats to the family oh, let us pray, the family, so precious, the children, but of course better a family should be destroyed and the children left to fend for themselves than to have a parent who uses a condom. They might be dead, but they are not sinners!'

Does that parallel any other 'communion'? Uganda is 43% Anglican and they seem to be about the same in terms of their devotion to toxic ignorance.....

[rug]

12. Do you deny that the much of the Anglican Communion in Africa opposes the ordination of women

as priests and bishops. Do you deny there is also strong disagreement on doctrinal issues?

Condoms are a small part of this.

[muriel_volestrangler]

10. You say that, but Pell and Dolan were behind the conservative letter to the Pope

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218215042

Four of those said they never signed it. But the Vatican's finance manager, Cardinal George Pell, confirmed he was behind the initiative by conservatives to bring complaints straight to the pope about a perceived lack of openness in the synod that they felt would create "predetermined results."

While other signatories refused to say whether they joined in, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, archbishop of New York, confirmed he had signed it.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0518b65dd2924103b5e6906dfbeecf24/vatican-seeks-end-case-letter-pope-family

So that's 2 prominent cardinals from developed, English-speaking, predominantly white countries, lining up with the conservatives.

[rug]

11. There are plenty of conservatives to go around. That's not what the article is about.

There is a definite regional slant to this as well.

[muriel_volestrangler]

13. These are not the conservative cardinals you're looking for? Sarah is thought to have signed it too

A version of the letter was leaked yesterday. There’s confusion over its wording and the names of the 13 cardinals who reportedly signed it, but we know roughly what it said and we can be pretty confident that it had the support of Cardinal Müller, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith; Cardinal Pell, Prefect of the Secretariat for the Economy; Cardinal Sarah, Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship; Cardinal Dolan, Archbishop of New York; and Cardinal Napier, Archbishop of Durban. So there we have three out of the four most powerful cardinals in the Curia, plus the most important American cardinal. Sarah (who is from Guinea) and Napier are the two most influential African cardinals.

http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/this-week-the-catholic-church-is-in-chaos-and-pope-francis-is-to-blame/

The USA, Guinea, South Africa and Australia - that 'region' is commonly known as 'the world'.

[rug]

14. You have one cardinal from the US and one from Australia.

The rest of your list is from Africa.

Much as you're vested in the notion of a monlith, that is not the world.

[muriel_volestrangler]

15. Müller is from Germany, and there are more:

The list published Monday night (EST) by America, a Catholic weekly magazine published by Jesuits in the United States, reports the following names: Caffarra (Archbishop of Bologna), Collins (Archbishop of Toronto), DiNardo (Archbishop of Houston), Dolan (Archbishop of New York), Eijk (Archbishop of Utrecht), Müller (Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith), Napier (Archbishop of Durban, South Africa), Njue (Archbishop of Nairobi, Kenya), Pell (Prefect of the Vatican Secretariat for the Economy), Rivera Carrera (Archbishop of Mexico City), Sarah (Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship), Sgreccia (President Emeritus of the Pontifical Academy for Life) and Urosa Savino (Archbishop of Caracas, Venezuela).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/massimo-faggioli/the-attack-on-the-pope-is_b_8289012.html

Italy, Canada, USA, Netherlands, Germany, South Africa, Kenya, Australia, Mexico, Guinea, and Venezuela. Pretty wide-ranging.

[muriel_volestrangler]

9. It's the Christian corollary to Godwin's Law - something really bad is both Nazi and demonic

You know, something really bad. Like LGBT rights, and the International Planned Parenthood Federation.

[Yorktown]

16. “the idolatry of Western freedom” made me barf

Western freedom is an idolatry.

Believing a god crucified himself as his son to reappear as crackers is not idolatry.

Up is down, 1984 style: the rations of chocolate have been increased from 20g to 10g..

[trotsky]

18. Putting human rights above religious beliefs is idolatry to the RCC. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

17. Well the pope did compare gender theory to Nazi propaganda.

So I guess he's just taking his cues from the head bigot.

[trotsky]

19. Let's face it...

if it's not in alignment with antiquated Catholic dogma, it's "extremist" and evil to them.

[mr blur]

20. Ah, more words about "the beauty of the Christian family" from someone who

has decided to never have one. It's just as bad as a 78-year-old virgin thinking that they know so much about sexual activity that they should tell everybody how to do it, how not to do it, who to do it with, when to do it, and whether or not you should use a condom (Spoiler: not).

These morons would be even funnier if they weren't so hateful and dangerous.