ISIS Claims Responsibility for Paris Attacks, Calling Them ‘Miracles’

[skepticscott]

SINONE, Iraq — The Islamic State has claimed responsibility for the catastrophic attacks in the French capital, referring to them as “miracles” in a written statement released by one of its official publication arms and distributed on Twitter via the accounts of known militant propagandists.

“Today brothers from all across the world set foot in Gaul and remind the kaffir (disbelievers) in dur Al Kuffr (the land of disbelievers) that we live beside you,” the group, which also is known as ISIS or ISIL, wrote in the statement.

“We watch you when you go to sleep. And today we bring you your death,” it said, using the Arabic terms for infidel.

“Today we reaffirm the fact we are the Islamic State,” it continued. “Our brothers who carried out these miracles in Gaul, the day of 29th and 30th Muharram, 1437 Hijiri,” it said, using dates in the Islamic calendar.

The one-page written statement was published by Al Hayat Media Center, one of the major publication arms of the Islamic State, which has previously made claims of responsibility that were believed to be authentic. The statement was posted online using the archive.org template, a favorite channel for the Islamic State.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/world/europe/isis-claims-responsibility-for-paris-attacks-calling-them-miracles.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-abc-region&region=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region

I really don't give a fuck if the religious apologists and defenders want to suppress this story in the Religion Group. I don't give a fuck if they can't bear seeing religion being blamed for these atrocities and would rather blame the people who point that out. They (or, more accurately, he) can try to hide this one just like the other one. If so, it will be posted again, and again. It belongs here, despite the need of a few sad individuals to pretend that this isn't about religion and what it drives people to.

[skepticscott]

2. Now everyone

can fully appreciate your grasp of irony and sarcasm.

[stone space]

3. It's not a miracle, it's a massacre. ISIS and Yorktown are wrong.

[skepticscott]

4. Now everyone can REALLY appreciate

your grasp of irony and sarcasm.

[Warren Stupidity]

6. How would you know that? These are deeply religious people who honestly believe that

their gods demand the blood of their enemies.

[skepticscott]

7. Did you really have to call another poster a troll?

Just because you couldn't understand what they were saying? Seriously?

Just so you know, I was the one that alerted on you, and you can take another two month vacation to contemplate how you respond to people here.

[Yorktown]

21. Gee, now I understand why posts get alerted on so easily

I mean, if my use of the word 'miracle' was to enough to make me a troll,

I suppose I will use road signs to signal humor and sarcasm in future.

There:

[Warren Stupidity]

5. Don't worry, our christian soldiers will soon avenge christiandom for the crimes of the muslims.

And in return the muslim soldiers of god will avenge their dead.

It seems the gods love blood. Or perhaps there no gods, only people deluded into believing not only that magical beings exist, but that they have to obey the commands of these magical beings no matter how sick twisted and immoral those edicts are.

[RKP5637]

8. Watching humans is a spectator sport for the magical beings. n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

9. The Greeks had it right.

[RKP5637]

11. Yep!!! In fact, we were just talking about that here at home a few minutes ago.

Humans are useful animals for a spectator sport for the mythical gods.

[edhopper]

10. Some people think that by claiming religious belief is involved

we are saying "it's only about religion"

Just as when they say it is about "culture and politics and economics", means that religion can't be involved.

It is and we have to deal with that.

[mmonk]

12. Religious people have both histories of war and atrocity and of peace and compassion.

Broad brushes are hard in this category. For example, The Khymer Rouge was not a religious force but also capable of atrocity. But IS is a religious state doing atrocity in the name of religion. But chalk it all up to the human mind under an induced cult state. It simply is what it is.

[skepticscott]

15. And what did the Kymer Rouge

commit their atrocities in the name of? Atheism? Was their not being a religious force the thing that motivated them?

[mmonk]

17. I didn't say they did what they did out of non belief of gods though they moved to ban religious

and ethnic groups. I suppose they did it out of some sort of belief of the system they were imposing.

[A HERETIC I AM]

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On Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:20 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

ISIS Claims Responsibility for Paris Attacks, Calling Them ‘Miracles’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218217410

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The article and the link are fine but the poster uses it to launch into an attack on DUers he imagines are his enemies.. He's trolling for a fight, not a discussion.

"I really don't give a fuck if the religious apologists and defenders want to suppress this story in the Religion Group. I don't give a fuck if they can't bear seeing religion being blamed for these atrocities and would rather blame the people who point that out. They (or, more accurately, he) can try to hide this one just like the other one. If so, it will be posted again, and again. It belongs here, despite the need of a few sad individuals to pretend that this isn't about religion and what it drives people to."

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:27 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

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Explanation: There is, of course, nothing wrong in posting a straight-up news release from the New York Times. The poster seems to throw down the gauntlet to DU'ers who may feel that this news story is somehow a blanket condemnation of Islam, or of religion in general. I don't know who those (possibly hypothetical) DU'ers are, but if they were singled out by name, that would be cause for a hide. They were not, and so the post should stand.
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[skepticscott]

16. Irony on top of irony in that alert

The alerter is not remotely interested in a discussion. As with the other hidden OP on the same subject, they are trying to suppress, not discuss (and were no doubt hoping for an equally "sympathetic" jury). And suppress the views of those they consider to be THEIR enemies in promoting their agenda of "nothing bad can ever be attributed to religion".

But let the alerter prove me wrong by stepping up and admitting that they alerted, and then contributing to a meaningful discussion (instead of alerting again and proving my point).

[Leontius]

14. The only blame shifting I've seen was on MSNBC last night

and the woman was no religious apologist as far as I know. She blamed the French RW for this massacre, it was their fault, they made this group of ISIS scum commit this act of terror.

[skepticscott]

18. Then you're not looking very hard

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218217438

[Leontius]

19. Something posted two hours after I posted my comment.

Is that the best you can do. Do you read posts that are two hours into the future? No, I didn't think so. Pretty lame attempt to try to make me look bad but a good way to show everyone how low you will stoop.

[skepticscott]

22. Glad you're admitting

that your attempt to show that there was no blame shifting was ridiculously premature and misguided.

Do you admit now that the predicted blame shifting from religion has happened? And that it's despicable?

[Leontius]

23. Would you like to try again without lying about what I posted?

I clearly stated that within hours of the attacks there was a woman shifting blame to RW French politicians it just wasn't the apologist for religion that you so greatly hope for and the article you link to was more of the same anti-western crap.

[skepticscott]

24. If you'd like it put

that your attempt to show that there was no blame shifting by religious apologists was ridiculously premature and misguided, there you go.

And yes, attempts to shift blame from religion is cases like this usually are unmitigated and intellectually bankrupt crap. Glad you agree.

[Leontius]

25. Again a disingenuous post by you. Why don't you just try the truth, is it too hard for you to do?

And you still have not shown any religious apologists doing any blame shifting. I'm sure they are probably out there why haven't you found any yet? Your pursuit of ridiculous and dubious crap to try to defame religion is enormous so finding a legitimate one would help rehabilitate your less the stellar reputation on this subject.

[skepticscott]

26. I've given the truth

These attacks were religiously motivated, and there are people here and elsewhere who try their best to deflect attention from that fact, for no other reason than religious apologism. I linked you to one, and the OP it was posted in took the same lame stance.

And now you yourself are taking up the banner, spewing your venom and insults on those point out that religion motivated these murders, rather than on those who actually did the killings, in the name of Islam, (which is the typical tactic of apologists here). And "defame religion"? I think the folks shouting "Allahu Akbar!!" just before they shot up a bunch of innocent people did a pretty good job of that before I ever got involved. Speaking of less than stellar reputations....

[Leontius]

27. Why is it so hard for you to tell the truth?

You have shown no religious apologists trying to deflect attention from the link to religious beliefs of these terrorists. Then you try to deflect attention from your lies about my statements with another lie by accusing me of being an apologist for this group of Islamic terrorist scum. I would hope a liberal would think such a distortion of someone's statements to be beneath them, just as I would think any just and fair minded person would agree it is beyond the pale to do so.

[skepticscott]

28. Speaking of telling the truth

the thread I linked to is full of posts doing exactly that. And yet you keep denying it, to deflect from your apologia and those of yout friends here.

Try again. And if you think calling me a liar over and over will make it more true, I have bad news for you.

[Leontius]

32. I have offered no apologia and to claim that I have is a lie and until you address that and correct

what you say, you are lying and I will continue to call you on it until you admit what you've done or post a quote of mine to prove your assertion. I read the article you linked to and it was no religious apologist that wrote it. I didn't read any of the posts in that thread just the article you linked to in that thread if you have any specific posts there that are apologies for the Islamic terrorists post a link or show a post # and I will look at your claim and comment on it..

[Yorktown]

29. There was plenty of blame shifting on the airwaves

Lots of Muslim clerics claiming "this attack isn't Islam". Which is obviously false.

ISIS and this attack are one form of Islam. One form of religion.

And a doctrinally sound one, as they are literalists. Quran = literal word of god..

So the muslim chamans refuse to face the ugly part of their religion -> no improvement.

[Leontius]

30. When people choose to do evil religion is a powerfull weapon to use to justify it.

And there is no denying it has been done over and over. But answer this why do many people only use their religious beliefs to do good ?

[Yorktown]

31. There is no evidence religion generates good

People who have collaborative, 'nice' genes should be attracted to religion because they are told religion promotes goodness. Selfish individuals should shun religion as a waste and time and focus on their personal interests.

And yet, study after study, there is no demonstrable effect of religion: same proportion of nice people, violent people, whatever-item-people, with or without religion.

sub conclusion 1: Religion has no positive effect.
sub conclusion 2: The Paris attacks, ISIS or 9/11 show religion creates evil.

Net balance: religion has a negative effect in the world.

[Leontius]

33. Just answer the question.

Your attempt at a logic puzzle is so flawed I will not even comment so stop playing the intellectual and answer the question. Start simple and progress to the complex so you don't look foolish is good advice.

[Yorktown]

34. Your haughty and hollow dismissiveness made me laugh

Other than that, if you have no tangible argument to refute mine, stick to being haughty in your corner.

[Leontius]

35. Just answer the question.

No need to refute your silly word salad on my part you describe it perfectly as hollow.

[Yorktown]

36. I did. Sorry you do not realize it.

Try re-read your question and my answer. It might help you.

In lieu of your offensive and misplaced ad hominem.

[Yorktown]

20. LMAO my thread "Paris killings = a new miracle of religion" was hidden 4-3

But now ISIS calls same killings a miracle?

And they shopuld know more than me about miracles: they are the religion folks.

Miracles is in their inventory, only they, as an 'islamic' state can vouch for them.

Looks like DU hides can't completely manage to hide truth and reality, i.e. that

the Paris killings were religiously motivated