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cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 12:00 PM Jan 2016

For Believers, Talking to Atheists Is Like Confronting Death

I remember when I “came out” as an atheist to my mother and grandmother; their initial response was denial. I'll never forget what they said to me, “You'll change your mind when you get older.”

What they didn't realize was I had already confronted the notion of death — that this one life was the only one I would get before the lights went out forever. I had struggled with that fact two years prior, dealing with panic-inducing anxiety and depression trying to accept the lie told to me since my birth: that, if I was good, I would live on in heaven.

Tom Jacobs from Pacific Standard writes that atheists are not well-liked among believers. Derek Beres says that in his conversations with believers, they think atheists are arrogant, while Jacobs says that others believe that non-believers don't have any morals. However, a recent study published in the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science provides a reason for this antagonism: "Among believers, the mere contemplation of atheism can arouse intimations of mortality."

There's that seed of doubt that nags, saying, “What if they're right?” It's a terrifying notion, and this “uniquely human awareness of death gives rise to potentially paralyzing terror that is assuaged by embracing cultural worldviews that provide a sense that one is a valuable participant in a meaningful universe.”

The researchers believe that “anti-atheist prejudices stem, in part, from the existential threat posed by conflicting worldview beliefs.”

http://bigthink.com/ideafeed/atheists-threaten-believers-with-mortality?
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For Believers, Talking to Atheists Is Like Confronting Death (Original Post) cleanhippie Jan 2016 OP
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #1
The old "End of the World" scenario....the "No Atheists in Foxholes" meme..... MADem Jan 2016 #2
Oh, man, I'm already egotistical enough TlalocW Jan 2016 #3
I know, right? cleanhippie Jan 2016 #6
somebody, somewhere said death is the best part of life mikehiggins Jan 2016 #4
+1 cleanhippie Jan 2016 #29
I agree NastyRiffraff Jan 2016 #5
"Ceasing to exist is a lot better than burning for all eternity!" cleanhippie Jan 2016 #7
That explains a lot and confirms my own observations Fumesucker Jan 2016 #8
I thought that the original monotheists--Jews--don't believe in an afterlife zazen Jan 2016 #9
My understanding is that it's up in the air... TreasonousBastard Jan 2016 #11
Interesting and not surprising results. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #10
Are you talking about the OP or about something else? bvf Jan 2016 #21
The op. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #22
I see. bvf Jan 2016 #23
Such deeply intelectual responses, don't you think? cleanhippie Jan 2016 #26
Yes. There are giants among us. bvf Jan 2016 #28
Some philosopher a few centuries ago SheilaT Jan 2016 #12
The philosopher was Blaise Pascal DavidDvorkin Jan 2016 #15
Thank you David. SheilaT Jan 2016 #18
Well that would explain some of the reactions. n/t trotsky Jan 2016 #13
WE"RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!! Kip Humphrey Jan 2016 #14
Five minutes of my life wasted on a steaming pile of crap. Leontius Jan 2016 #16
Not entirely wasted. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2016 #17
I'm shocked at two levels Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #19
Not all atheists are assholes. Leontius Jan 2016 #20
My, but that's nice of you to say. bvf Jan 2016 #25
Not all catholics are pedophiles. Fix The Stupid Jan 2016 #27
So get up five minutes earlier tomorrow. bvf Jan 2016 #24

Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

TlalocW

(15,384 posts)
3. Oh, man, I'm already egotistical enough
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 12:07 PM
Jan 2016

And then you hand me the power of death or being death-like?

TlalocW

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
4. somebody, somewhere said death is the best part of life
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 12:07 PM
Jan 2016

No matter how bad things get, there will come an end. The best thing to do is to live the few years you have as best you can. Live your life so people will regret your leaving it.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
5. I agree
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 12:09 PM
Jan 2016

I told a friend that I was an atheist, and she was appalled; not because I don't believe in God, but because I don't believe in an afterlife. She asked me how I can possibly go on living if I don't believe in life after death. I replied at 1) If this is all there is, of course I want to go on living; and 2) I didn't exist for millennia, and I never was unhappy about that. Ceasing to exist is a lot better than burning for all eternity!

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
8. That explains a lot and confirms my own observations
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 12:16 PM
Jan 2016

This is what they see when I tell them I'm an atheist.

zazen

(2,978 posts)
9. I thought that the original monotheists--Jews--don't believe in an afterlife
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jan 2016

Did I get that wrong?

In addition, one can believe in a higher power/higher intelligence in the universe while accepting that our bodies return to the same cosmic soup from which we arose. It's not our bodies that go on for ever--it's the universe of which we're a part, whether we're not yet born, not ever born, alive or dead. To the degree I believe I'm a part of something that's much larger than I am, then when I die big deal.

The construct of faith presented by the atheists in this study is not externally valid.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
11. My understanding is that it's up in the air...
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jan 2016

very similar to the Quaker belief-- there may be an afterlife, but nobody has come back to tell us about it, so we won't worry about it. There's enough in the current life to keep us busy, and if we do it right, any afterlife will take care of itself.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
26. Such deeply intelectual responses, don't you think?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:33 AM
Jan 2016

My favorite is the classic "wow, just wow".

So deep, so thought out, so reasoned.

So inspiring.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
12. Some philosopher a few centuries ago
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 12:31 PM
Jan 2016

-- and I hope I'm remembering this correctly -- came to the conclusion that while he himself wasn't entirely convinced there was a God, a person was better off believing there was, because what if you got to the afterlife and discovered God really existed? Then you'd be in big trouble.

I always thought that was just about the dumbest reason to believe that I'd ever heard of. It presupposes that if there is a God, He/She/It gets mighty pissed at those who don't believe in Him/Her/It. And that punishment is the most salient feature of an afterlife.

I do happen to believe in an afterlife, but in my version punishment isn't part of it. Besides, I'm thinking that the Bible doesn't address the issue of an afterlife at all.

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
15. The philosopher was Blaise Pascal
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jan 2016

And that argument is known as Pascal's Wager.

Its major flaw is the assumption that there are only two possibilities: no god, or the one believed in by Christians, complete with Hell and Heaven/eternal punishment and reward.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
18. Thank you David.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:24 PM
Jan 2016

I took some philosophy courses a long time ago, and have totally forgotten things like the names of them.

And yes, the assumption that there are only two possibilities was called in another philosophy class: The horns of a false dilemma.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
19. I'm shocked at two levels
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:22 PM
Jan 2016

1. Someone wasted time on the internet!? Whaaaaaat?

2. You didn't like an article that was even remotely positive to atheists. I should leave a note for my wife that if she ever finds me dead in front of the computer, it's probably because Leonitus said something positive about atheists.

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