Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:47 AM Apr 2016

French Minister Disregards Right to Religious Expression

April 01, 2016
By Annie Glasser

On Wednesday French Minister for Family, Children, and Women’s Rights Laurence Rossignol compared Muslim women who wear traditional head coverings to “American negroes who supported slavery.” Under pressure from media and civil society, Rossignol apologized for her language, but she stands by her message.

Rossignol made the remark in response to a question about the Islamic fashion industry during an interview on BFMTV. Rossignol said retailers—including Dolce & Gabbana, Uniqlo, and H&M—that offer clothing specifically for Muslim women “promote the confinement of women’s bodies.”

This sentiment is not new in France. The 2004 law on secularism and conspicuous religious symbols in schools and the 2011 law prohibiting concealing one’s face in public spaces fueled an ongoing debate about “French identity” in a multi-ethnic, multicultural, and pluralist society. These laws, along with Rossignol’s recent statement, go against internationally recognized rights of freedom of religion and expression. They also contribute to the view that the principle of laïcité (secularism) limits the acceptance of differences and promotes unattainable conformity.

Rossignol’s words on the traditional Muslim head covering bolster the “clash of civilizations” narrative that is pervasive in France. In our recent report, "Breaking the Cycle of Violence: Countering Antisemitism and Extremism in France," Human Rights First found that marginalization of already-vulnerable groups perpetuates an overall increase in repression, polarization, and intolerance. Excluding these groups from a sense of belonging and inclusion in the national identity can hinder efforts to address racism, antisemitism, and other forms of intolerance.

http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/blog/french-minister-disregards-right-religious-expression

2 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
French Minister Disregards Right to Religious Expression (Original Post) rug Apr 2016 OP
France's rules on headscarves are wrong-headed. 21st Century Poet Apr 2016 #1
even the 1905 version of "laicite" is a very meddlesome sort of "separation" MisterP Apr 2016 #2

21st Century Poet

(254 posts)
1. France's rules on headscarves are wrong-headed.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:22 AM
Apr 2016

Ever since 1905, France has kept a very clear distinction between Church and State. On the one hand, this has ensured that religions don't interfere with society's rules. On the other, it can interfere with the individual's right to choose, the individual's right to express oneself and the individual's right to worship freely.

Is clothing which covers the head and/or face an irrational imposition by society? Maybe, but it would be foolish to think that Muslim women would rather do without it, don't think it serves a purpose or that they don't actively choose to wear it. I like to compare the wearing of the headscarf to the shaving of armpit and leg hair in our society. Girls are taught at an early age that armpit and leg hair is unseemly and should be removed. There is no real rationale to this and you would be hard pressed to say that this is not an imposition by society. Still, women do it consciously and regularly and if someone were to tell them not to give in to society's impositions on women's bodies, they would laugh in the speaker's face, call him or her crazy and insist that they want to shave. And if a law was passed that shaving of armpit hair is illegal (to save girls and women from 'society's abuse'), there would be uproar.

The simple truth is that societies have all sorts of irrational rules, written and unwritten, but these become so internalised that they become active choices by individuals who find rational reasons to keep adhering to them. Many Muslim women can no more imagine being out in public without the headscarf than an American woman can imagine being at the beach with unshaved armpits. What starts out as an irrational rule imposed by society becomes an active choice by the individual. This should not be controlled by the state. Barring individual cases related to security (the face should be uncovered for police, before entering shops etc) and individual cases of clear abuse, I think France's rules about headscarves are wrong-headed and impinge on individual freedoms.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
2. even the 1905 version of "laicite" is a very meddlesome sort of "separation"
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:39 AM
Apr 2016

heck, the Masons posted plainclothesmen to identify any officers and civil servants emerging from churches after Mass, to write them down and prevent their promotion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_Des_Fiches

Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Religion»French Minister Disregard...