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Related: About this forumSam Harris: Donald Trump would be our first atheist president
Republican Donald Trump could become the first atheist president of the United States, according to neuroscience author Sam Harris.
The one thing that is surprising and actually hopeful in Trumps candidacy is the fact that he has dissected out the religious, social conservative component of the Republican Party, Harris said on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast.
Evangelicals, for the most part, were going for Trump over Cruz when it was pretty clear to them that Trump was just pretending to be religious.
Harris, who is associated with the New Atheism movement, mocked Trump for referring to Second Corinthians as Corinthians Two during a speech at the evangelical Liberty University.
It is clear to them that he is just miming the language or impersonating a person of faith, but they dont care really, as long as he does it, he explained. And that if you look for a silver lining to this it shows they just want a space where their religious convictions are not under attack. They dont really care that the person in charge share them. If you pretend to share them, thats good enough.
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He might be our first atheist president.
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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/sam-harris-donald-trump-would-be-our-first-atheist-president/
stone space
(6,498 posts)And he kneels at the Alter of the Holy Gun.
Donald Trump is No True Atheist.
True Atheists don't worship at the Church of the Golden Calf, and we don't kneel at the Alter of the Holy Gun.
HAB911
(8,919 posts)Trump would be a closet atheist, and anyway...........not a snowballs chance now. (thankfully)
stone space
(6,498 posts)Or one who thinks that he's already achieved it!
rug
(82,333 posts)With his view of Muslims, he aligns with his top two issues.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)More lack of awareness from Sam Harris.
RaymondLuxuryYacht
(66 posts)Please don't be on my side. Go join w/ Ben Carson and see what you get when you rub 2 brain cells together.
eppur_se_muova
(36,302 posts)Can't ever forget that phrase.
TexasProgresive
(12,159 posts)autolatry (ɔːˈtɒlətrɪ
n
the worship of oneself
Collins English Dictionary Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Or at least what many people to refer to as agnostic (Those aren't mutually exclusive).
I find it hard to believe that there hasn't been a non-out atheist in the office of president.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Or at least what many people to refer to as agnostic (Those aren't mutually exclusive).
On the internet, I've noticed a tendency for some agnostics to try to to speak for us.
The newfangled terminology that you refer to is designed to make true atheists a minority within "atheism" itself, and to dilute the voices of atheism by drowning those atheistic voices in a sea of agnosticism.
I'm an old school atheist. I'm what might be termed an atheist atheist in your newfangled modern terminology.
Part of the "atheist wing of the 'atheist' party", so to speak.
But for me, saying that I am an atheist atheist seems redundant.
What you would call atheist atheism is just plain atheism to me, and what you would call agnostic atheism is just plain agnosticism.
I don't accept the supremacy of agnosticism within atheism, which is what this newfangled terminology promoted by some agnostics is designed to promote.
Agnostics should stand tall and proud on their own, and stop trying to piggy back on us.
If I can be a proud atheist, there's no reason why agnostics cannot be proud agnostics.
There's no reason for agnostics to try to hide in an atheist closet.
Step out of the closet and be proud of your agnosticism.
There's nothing to be ashamed of.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Pretty sure it was a common accusation leveled at him by his political opponents.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I must have missed where Drumpf self-identified as an atheist. When did that happen?
And what's the point of posting something that's almost 5 months old?
stone space
(6,498 posts)And, as I explained in a post above, his Idolatry is a little hard to reconcile with atheism, regardless of any claims that he might make in that regard.
Should he claim to be an atheist, or a Christian, or a decent human being, or whatever, one could attempt to measure his truthfulness with a polygraph, I suppose, although I'm not sure how well polygraphs work on pathological liars like Trump.
For those of us who don't have access to a polygraph machine, or who lack the power to compel Trump to be hooked up to one, there are other methods for judging the truthfulness of Presidential candidates.
One such method that I've heard is thru the use of internet memes.
If one can find an internet meme that would prove one way or the other that Trump is either lying or telling the truth, then that meme would function as an internet polygraph machine.
I've seen the No True Scotsman internet meme applied in this manner to determine truthfulness.
This method is said to logically prove that Trump is truthful.
Some call it science, but others call it pseudoscience.
I ran into a couple of Corinthians in a bar the other day, and they both considered this application of the NTS meme as a polygraph to be pseudoscience rather than science.
Of course, they were both drunk at the time, so who knows?
Those two Corinthians told me that the only way to scientifically prove that Trump is telling the truth is to put him in a bus with Billy Bush and observe him saying it then.
They told me that the internet meme was pseudoscience.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Have fun.
stone space
(6,498 posts)I was pointing out that such an application of that internet meme to distinguish between truth telling vs lying is pseudoscience, not science.
Your conclusion is correct, however, despite the pseudoscientific reasoning employed to derive it, due to the reasons that I outlined regarding his Idolatry.
Idolatry is not atheism, and idolaters are not atheists.
Like a broken clock, sometimes pseudoscience can lead to the correct answer, I suppose.
But let's face reality.
Billy Bush functions much better as a polygraph machine than the No True Scotsman internet meme ever did.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Were I to employ NTS, it would be in the context of Drumpf claiming to be an atheist, and me denying that.
I merely asked if Drumpf had ever self-identified as an atheist. You clearly don't know. Thanks.
stone space
(6,498 posts)In fact, he claims to respect women more than anybody.
Now, the No True Scotsmen polygraph (which I claim to be pseudoscience) says Trump is telling the truth, and that Trump actually is a respecter of women.
Whereas the Billy Bush polygraph says that trump is lying, and that Trump is actually not a respecter of women.
Which do you believe?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)you'd realize your question here makes absolutely no sense.
But since you have previously referred to NTS as an "meme" there is not much point in me trying to explain further.
I wish you much luck in your quest for learning.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Pseudoscience can be difficult to defend when confronted directly.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)I'm sure lots of sociopaths are atheists, in that they're of living proof that a particular (and popular) concept of God doesn't exist. Though, it's also possible he has an extreme delusion in the other dirrection, seeing himself as some sort of messianic type figure who is supernaturally superior, and therefore not subject to everyone else's idea of morality. He's made some statements that seem consistent with that too.
Another possibility is that he has some sort of belief in God, but is not capable of seeing his own moral contradictions, or it's just a very vaugue thing he doesn't put much thought into.
Despite being a neuroscience professor, I think Sam Harris is just giving a hot take on something he hasn't really thought through completely. It wouldn't be the first time.