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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Wed May 17, 2017, 09:56 AM May 2017

As Catholic influence in Ireland wanes, some hope abortion will be legalized

http://gazette.com/as-catholic-influence-in-ireland-wanes-some-hope-abortion-will-be-legalized/article/1603287

DUBLIN (RNS) Bronagh Matthews, an office manager in her 30s, lives on the rural edge of North County Dublin. She attended an all-girls Catholic high school and a Catholic college and still identifies as Roman Catholic.

But Matthews fancies herself the “hatching, matching and dispatching” variety, offering a whimsical summary of her current Mass attendance, which primarily involves baptisms, marriages and funerals. She also favors abortion rights “not because I agree with it, but because I think it should come down to the individual choice of the woman,” and feels Ireland could do with less interference from the Roman Catholic Church.

She’s not alone.

Ireland metaphorically barred the door on the church’s influence on public policy when citizens voted overwhelmingly for the legalization of gay marriage in 2015, making it the first country in the world to do so by national referendum. Now some devout Catholics fear that door may be locked after a Citizens’ Assembly — a deliberative body of people randomly selected from across the country — recently recommended liberal changes to Ireland’s abortion laws.


The RCC has ruined so many lives around the world, but Ireland has always seemed particularly affected. Hopefully they can heal as a nation and fully break free, getting rid of the remnants like anti-abortion and blasphemy laws.
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As Catholic influence in Ireland wanes, some hope abortion will be legalized (Original Post) trotsky May 2017 OP
How many lives has the RCC "ruined . . . . around the world", trotsky? rug May 2017 #1
Probably like the RCC's wealth; readily apparent but imposible to fully calculate. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #2
At least you made a stab at it. Something he couldn't do. rug May 2017 #3
Evidence of harmful catholic interference is everywhere. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #4
How many edhopper May 2017 #5
None. rug May 2017 #6
You think edhopper May 2017 #7
Depends entirely on what would happen to the RCC. rug May 2017 #8
I see it more edhopper May 2017 #9
How many is that? rug May 2017 #11
as he said edhopper May 2017 #14
Sounds as mushy as a description of God. rug May 2017 #15
I'd start with the lives saved edhopper May 2017 #16
How many is that? Lordquinton May 2017 #12
I understand you often consider questions to be personal attacks. rug May 2017 #13
And there it is Lordquinton May 2017 #17
There's what? rug May 2017 #18
I turned your own question back on you Lordquinton May 2017 #20
You didn't turn anything on anyone. rug May 2017 #21
I did, it was your question Lordquinton May 2017 #22
Child abuse (either institutional or covered up), Magdalene Laundries muriel_volestrangler May 2017 #19
Glad the influence is being removed Lordquinton May 2017 #10
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
1. How many lives has the RCC "ruined . . . . around the world", trotsky?
Wed May 17, 2017, 09:59 AM
May 2017

Here's your chance to let it all out.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
3. At least you made a stab at it. Something he couldn't do.
Wed May 17, 2017, 10:11 AM
May 2017

I suppose self-righteous, gratutous snark is what passes for evidence.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
8. Depends entirely on what would happen to the RCC.
Wed May 17, 2017, 03:33 PM
May 2017

Why don't you ask him: "How many ruined lives would you accept if it meant the end of the RCC?"

You can answer first.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
13. I understand you often consider questions to be personal attacks.
Thu May 18, 2017, 08:48 PM
May 2017

Nevertheless this post is bizarre.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
18. There's what?
Thu May 18, 2017, 09:18 PM
May 2017

Are you unable to speak plainly?

Are you afraid someone will know what you're actually trying to say?

Don't try to lecture anyone - anyone - on personal attacks and vulgarity.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
20. I turned your own question back on you
Fri May 19, 2017, 12:38 PM
May 2017

And you found it confusing.

Your last sentence is hilarious considering the one proceeding it is a personal attack.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
21. You didn't turn anything on anyone.
Fri May 19, 2017, 01:38 PM
May 2017

When are you going to accept that this board is not for narcissistic trolling?

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
22. I did, it was your question
Fri May 19, 2017, 01:45 PM
May 2017

I'll reiterate and clairfy, and please stop attacking me.

How many ruined lives are acceptable to you for the continuing existence of the Catholic Church (and this will be an ongoing top, not a one time event if they collapsed)

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
10. Glad the influence is being removed
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:35 AM
May 2017

It's not just fading, it's being revoked. Hope more places follow suit.

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