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Related: About this forumBirth and Death are Experienced by Everyone
We all have concrete evidence of both. Evidence. Birth is a messy mammalian thing, which we don't actually remember, thank goodness. Death is something we all remember from observation and is evidence we see throughout our lives.
Before conception and birth, we are nothing. There is no evidence of anything that comes before. After death, no evidence indicates that anything about us continues, except for memories and genetic material, if we reproduced during our lives. There is ample evidence that demonstrates that our physical bodies decay and decompose into the chemicals of which we are made.
There is zero evidence that individuals existed in any form before birth or after death. Zero. Our lives are brief, by any measure, but they are what evidence shows us that we get by being born. For many, the certainty of death is a fearsome thing. We don't like the idea that our individual identity ceases when we die. We often reject that very idea. There is zero evidence that life extends beyond death. Zero.
Most religions offer some sort of concept of a continuum of life that extends beyond our temporary existence. Some teach that reincarnation provides that continuum. Others hold that there is some sort of post-death existence. That is one of the reasons human beings invented religion. There is evidence of neither, however. The evidence is that we begin as a couple of cells that merge and then divide. Eventually, we disintegrate into our component chemicals when we die. Of that there is ample evidence.
That is enough. It is ample. As an atheist, I find the entire life cycle to be sufficient. I was born. I experience life, growth, and everything that ensued from that event. I will die. I don't know when. So far, I've lived for 72 years and a few months. It's been a fascinating thing to observe from my personal perspective. My death will end that experience. It would be nice to have some time to reflect on my lifetime. I do that fairly frequently, and more frequently as I grow older.
It is enough. It is what it is. I am who I have become, due to genetics, my experiences, and my decisions. It is enough.
dhill926
(16,370 posts)CatMor
(6,212 posts)people get so upset with me because I am a atheist and I believe when you die that's it. They try to convince me otherwise. They can't accept death and want to believe they will live forever in some other form. Death is a harsh realization but there is no alternative. I believe I live on in my children and their children.
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)Perhaps it is not as pleasant as a heaven, but I've seen nothing compelling to suggest that such a place exists. I think we must be genetically programmed to want to live, and it is just hard for us go imagine just no longer existing. Just because it is hard to accept doesn't mean it isn't true.
ck4829
(35,094 posts)Try *not* thinking, *not* visualizing things, *not* responding to any stimuli, etc.
See how long you can hold it.
You can't really simulate non-existence. It's either there or it isn't... a problem with that is that it is a binary, and that raises a whole new problem, they don't really exist... at least not in the natural world.
If you could make a person dead, truly dead, and then somehow reverse it, we could see what they have to say about what they experienced... or not.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)That's not all that difficult, really.
Voltaire2
(13,213 posts)I consistently fail, but the effort to try to bring the mind to stillness is worth it.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)MineralMan
(146,338 posts)Except, see, I don't enter any of those...
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)We have won nothing, and lost nothing.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I have no reason to think anything continues, for me, after death.
Ideas I shared, that are recorded or held by others, will go on for a time.
Code I have written will continue to function, for a time.
Machines I have built will continue to work, for a time.
I will leave many things behind, some of which will operate more or less on their own. Echoes of me.
But no one has ever presented credible evidence that *I* will continue on past the death of my meatbag housing.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And if you do not accept that faith, I understand.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Your faith, is not for me to accept or reject. I do not share it.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But you can reject my non-evidence as well.
Voltaire2
(13,213 posts)Both birth and death are primarily observed in others. Birth is technically experienced, while death is clearly not experienced.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)often experienced, as I have witnessed on several occasions.