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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 05:51 PM Nov 2017

In an earlier time, the world's cultures rarely interacted.

Each developed its own religion, and there were many types of religion, from naturalistic ones to pantheons full of specialized deities. Most were isolated within a particular culture and followed only by people from that culture. Pretty much every culture on the planet developed a religious system of one sort or another.

As commerce and technology led to travel, exploration and trade, people got exposed to the religious beliefs of other cultures. In the Bronze/Iron Age, the Middle East was a hotbed of trade and cultural exchange. More and more people were exposed to different religions created by all of those cultures.

One culture's religion was another culture's primitive mythology. The Middle East, though, had been trading internally for quite some time before the Europeans got there. Monotheism, in various forms, was a common, if not exclusive, thread there. It had simplicity going for it, for one thing. Judaism got a strong foothold, followed by its offshoot, Christianity.

As the Romans and Greeks traded and invaded, that monotheistic trend may have seemed a lot simpler to manage than the oddball pantheon of deities, each with its own focus and places of worship. The time was right for simplification and trimming down the number of deities that needed to be worshiped and propitiated. There was business to do, and more. Who had time for all those strange dieties with such human characteristics, after all?

In just a few centuries, what had been the believed-in polytheism of Greece and Rome became mythology, with Christianity becoming the "true" religion. It was an amazing phenomenon. Over the next centuries, Christianity got carried here and there and around the world, bringing its simplicity and one-step salvation to compete with more complex religious beliefs.

Christianity conquered, followed by a close contender in Islam, which is really a splinter offshoot of the Judeo/Christian belief system. Asia remained unconverted for a very long time, and still retains its own cultural religions, but even those are under pressure.

One culture's religion is another culture's mythology, and vice versa. The religion of the dominant culture economically and militarily, though, tends to overwhelm that of less capable cultures. But still, one culture's mythology is another's religion. All, however, remain human-created belief systems. All are, in my view, constructs of human culture, rather than revealed truth.

And so it goes...

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In an earlier time, the world's cultures rarely interacted. (Original Post) MineralMan Nov 2017 OP
Yup. Igel Nov 2017 #1
Thanks for the reply. MineralMan Dec 2017 #2
Monotheism. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #4
"Thou shall have no gods before me!" MineralMan Dec 2017 #5
Polytheism lends itself to syncretism. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #6
Dueling Deities... MineralMan Dec 2017 #7
You make it a capital offense to worship any other gods. Mariana Dec 2017 #8
It's okay to coin abstract words in German marylandblue Dec 2017 #3
That's sloppy history: the possibility of interaction has always depended on a complex mix struggle4progress Dec 2017 #9

Igel

(35,317 posts)
1. Yup.
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 10:00 PM
Nov 2017

Lots of different belief systems.

Granted, there was a lot of spreading, though. Even in prehistory you find examples of Wanderwoerter and of spreading of phonological and syntactic phenomena, so it's not like they were completely isolated. Neighbors influenced neighbors and intermarried--otherwise you wouldn't get the kind of gene flow that's attested, the kind of linguistic contact, or the cultural diffusion (where "culture" here could be physical, could be spiritual or social).

If you could get a Sprachbund, there's no reason you couldn't get a Kulturbund. (And I assume I'm not coining a word in a language I really don't much like or know, but I don't think I've ever seen it before.)

What's always struck me as odd is the ideological predilection that many have for thinking that a very large area somehow, in prehistory, had a common religion just because their descendants with a homogenized, often constructed belief system finds it convenient to think that theirs is.


MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
2. Thanks for the reply.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:19 AM
Dec 2017

You're right, of course. There was spreading and probable alteration of religious beliefs to form a synthesis. At least on a regional basis. in North America, there was travel and exchange between tribal groups, for sure. Still, it would have to be regional, since transportation wasn't a simple thing or done on the spur of the moment.

Frankly, we don't know a great deal about early religions. But, we can look at the religious beliefs of indigenous groups that were recorded as places were colonized by others. We have quite a bit of information on that.

What puzzles me most, though, is the belief many have that their religion is, of course, the only "true religion." Why? Because those people follow that religion. There's no other explanation, really. Christianity and Islam have proven to be the most capable of replacing existing religions. That, however, says nothing about the correctness or truth of either. Force was often the mechanism for that change.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
4. Monotheism.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 11:29 AM
Dec 2017

If your religion hinges upon the worship of a singular deity, how do you keep your followers from hedging their bets with Baal, Ishtar, or Dagon?

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
5. "Thou shall have no gods before me!"
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 11:32 AM
Dec 2017

Thus sayeth the Lord.

Besides, with Christianity, you get "Three, count 'em, Three Gods in One!"

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
6. Polytheism lends itself to syncretism.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 12:47 PM
Dec 2017

Particularly if the polytheists in question believe in localized gods. If you're an Allemani visiting Rome, you'll find no temples to Wotan. If Wotan has no power in Rome, why not curry favor with Jupiter? I mean, if you already believe in a dozen deities, what's one more?

Monotheism has the opposite effect. Monotheists would need to actively discourage their people from currying favor with localized deities. So they say these deities aren't real. They don't exist. Their religions are false.

Mariana

(14,857 posts)
8. You make it a capital offense to worship any other gods.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 01:07 PM
Dec 2017

Anyone caught doing so is subjected to a slow and painful public execution, the more gruesome the better. You have them stoned, for example, or burned alive. That would serve to discourage most of them. Perhaps you also threaten their progeny, telling them that their innocent descendants for some number of generations will be punished by the deity.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
3. It's okay to coin abstract words in German
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 11:18 AM
Dec 2017

They are very good about that sort of thing. Simple ideas sound so much more important in German. That's why we sometimes import German coinages instead of making our own up.

struggle4progress

(118,286 posts)
9. That's sloppy history: the possibility of interaction has always depended on a complex mix
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 03:16 PM
Dec 2017

of factors, such as transportation technology and geography

Aridity outside the narrow Nile Valley probably limited incursion into ancient Egypt, whereas the whole Mediterranean world was interconnected by trade across the water. Hoards of Roman coins have been discovered in India, evidence of some regular interaction

Imperial Rome was in some ways an extraordinarily cosmopolitan city, filled with people from around the known world, with a variety of views. The spread of Christianity across that world is probably not a simple story: the early spread would have been related to the Jewish diaspora created with the Roman destruction of Jerusalem



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