Good news: 'Allah doesn't care if you are transgender': the Indonesian school fighting a backlash

[guillaumeb]

From the article:

When Shinta Ratri prays, like many devout Indonesian women she dons a mukena, a long flowing gown often embroidered with colourful and intricate designs. But she finds it hard to do so in most public mosques in this small city on the Indonesian island of Java. The reason, she says, is that she began life as a man.

To read more:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/16/allah-transgender-indonesian-school-fighting-backlash

[trotsky]

1. 'Allah doesn't care if you are transgender' - are they defining Islam for others?

Can they do that?

[guillaumeb]

3. Perhaps you should read the article.

Or are you speaking here for Allah?

[trotsky]

11. Are you?

Are they?

I noticed you didn't answer the question. I wonder why that is?

[Voltaire2]

2. well that is debatable.

There is only one muslim country that tolerates transgender people, Iran, where it is a potentially capital crime to be gay but where the state subsidizes sexual reassignment surgery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexuality_in_Iran

[guillaumeb]

5. What is debatable?

The existence of the group?

The idea that believers differ on matters of faith?

The idea that this group believes what is described here?

[Voltaire2]

6. The claim that Islam is a religion of tolerance.

Clearly it isn't. This exception demonstrates that fact. Muslim countries are just horrendous on human rights.

[guillaumeb]

7. Clearly you might believe what you wrote.

Proving at best, that you believe your own opinion about Islam.

[Loki Liesmith]

9. You consistently argue in bad faith

You are Gish Galloping through the replies.

[guillaumeb]

10. It is easy to accuse, and your post is an excellent example

of what you are talking about.

Demonstrating something, but not what you intended I am certain.

[trotsky]

12. Just like you believe your own opinion.

And both are equally valid, because.... ta da... no one can define religion for anyone else.

[guillaumeb]

13. But some insist that they can define it.

And many of them are atheists, with their own unprovable beliefs.

[trotsky]

14. My "unprovable belief" that I don't believe your claims about gods?

Okey dokey. Oh wait that's right, you think no one can define your religion, but YOU get to define atheism. Sorry, I forgot.

[guillaumeb]

15. Yes, your unprovable belief.

And it is unprovable for all that some try to cloak it in the words of science and reason.

[trotsky]

16. I did not know that rejecting someone else's claim is a belief itself.

Fascinating. Please tell me more about these new definitions of words.

[Ron Obvious]

4. No comments allowed

Bloody typical, Guardian.

[guillaumeb]

8. Given how comment sections can be,

perhaps the editors of The Guardian do not wish to provide a venue for promoting Islamophobia, or gender-based hate speech, or general craziness.