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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 03:57 PM Jan 2018

Let's give this a try:

If I missed something, or erred in this, let's see if we can fix it.

1. Things that exist with certainty can be observed, described, and usually measured in some way. Essentially, we can see, touch, hear, or otherwise detect them directly. There is a high certainty level for their existence. We encounter such things constantly in our lives and most are quite familiar to us.

2. Things we theorize to exist may be observed by second level influence on things known to exist. An example might be sub-atomic particles which only make themselves known through the generation of other particles, even though they cannot be directly observed. Gravity is another example, which is known only from its effects on physical bodies. We are quite certain that these things exist, but are ready to change our minds if some other thing better explains a phenomenon.

3. Things we hypothesize to exist may be described through mathematical proofs or third-level influences on other things. These things have the lowest level of certainty, and are subject to question as to their reality. For example poly-dimensional things should exist, based on mathematical proofs, but are not observable directly, or even at second hand. We are not certain of their description, however, nor do we understand them fully. The precise nature of time, for example is still uncertain, although we believe it exists with a high degree of confidence.

4. Things we imagine to exist cannot be observed at any level. We can imagine them, but cannot experience them directly or measure them. In order for us to believe they exist, we must have "faith" that they exist. They appear not to exist in the physical world, and no evidence for them is available. But we can imagine them. These are imaginary things, and actually do not exist, except in the mind's imagination. Different people may imagine different things, and may be influenced by cultural and other influences. It cannot, however, be said that such imaginary things have any real existence. They are imaginary things. Not everyone believes that such things exist at all, but some people do have "faith" that they do. Often, imaginary things are used to explain things we do not understand. If we become able to understand those things, we no longer need imaginary explanations for them. History and science have demonstrated this in many instances.

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Let's give this a try: (Original Post) MineralMan Jan 2018 OP
I am always here, though most oft wrapped in a mist of silence sanatanadharma Jan 2018 #1
Define consciousness Lordquinton Jan 2018 #2
If you think, you are conscious. MineralMan Jan 2018 #3
Prove it. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #6
Consciousness cannot be defined, but only pointed to using a mobius strip sanatanadharma Jan 2018 #4
All true. Yes. MineralMan Jan 2018 #7
Nice try. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #5

sanatanadharma

(3,707 posts)
1. I am always here, though most oft wrapped in a mist of silence
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 05:04 PM
Jan 2018

Some questions

Does consciousness exist as a certainty?

How is consciousness known?

Is consciousness negatable ?

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
3. If you think, you are conscious.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:47 PM
Jan 2018

It doesn't matter what the nature of your thinking. Consciousness exists at many levels and degrees.

sanatanadharma

(3,707 posts)
4. Consciousness cannot be defined, but only pointed to using a mobius strip
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 05:08 PM
Jan 2018

Consciousness is the prerequisite to all four means-of-knowledge in the OP

Consciousness is the self-evident "I" that we all each claim to be

Consciousness is the constant witness of the changes in body in mind in time

Consciousness is the location (so to speak) of 'knowledge'

Consciousness is that which departs at death and turns out the lights

Consciousness (as though) gone, the eyes see not, though life remains in cells a while yet

Consciousness explains all matter of things and is needed to negate itself

Acorn consciousness plants forests

Squirrel consciousness does it better

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