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Related: About this forumWhen Prophets Come Alive
From the article:
and
Our body is like Mary.
Each of us has a Jesus inside.
If a pain and yearning shows up inside us,
the Jesus of our soul is born.
If there is no pain, no yearning,
the Jesus of our soul will return to its origin from
the same secret passageway he came from
If there is no pain, no yearning,
we will remain deprived
not benefiting from that Jesus of the soul.
To read more:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/livingtradition/2018/07/when-prophets-come-alive/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Muslim&utm_content=49
"transcendent qualities accessible through the collective human consciousness... "
Add that to Rumi's idea that each of us has a Jesus inside, or, as the Americans Friends might express it, each of us has a spark of the divine.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Completely unsupported and completely unsupportable claim.
"each of us has a spark of the divine"
Same.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)I have genes from my mother and my father. If there's a spark of anything, it originates there.
Nothing divine involved. Just genetics.
I even know the date the spark was struck. It was Halloween night, 1944. I know that because my parents were together that day, and not for a couple of weeks before. the next day, my father and his crew flew a B-17 to Europe. Halloween was the only possibility, given my birth date.
It must have been a strong spark, too, because here I am still.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Unsupportable and unprovable opinion.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)evidence. No such support exists for a "divine spark." No evidence at all. There is, however, a genetic trail that goes back a couple of million years to our hominid relatives.
I have evidence. You have old myths.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)What do you mean you'd have a horn? The absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence!
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)No photographs, though. I need photographs.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)MineralMan
(146,281 posts)Docreed2003
(16,855 posts)MineralMan
(146,281 posts)Docreed2003
(16,855 posts)While I would suggest he is a "saint" on DU, please show proof of a divine conception!
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But if the poster is familiar with some reason that another should be termed a saint, let that poster provide some explanation.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Funny that this collective consciousness was completely absent from all texts, sources, and classroom materials while I was working on my psych degree. I guess my education's outdated.
Voltaire2
(12,977 posts)But there was old Karl Jung, he latched onto CC as part of his version of psychology.
Do we have some sort of antenna that sucks in the CC?
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)...whatever Billy's talking about now is news to me.
Of course, whether these collective memories are available for conscious recall fucking with the currents flowing through the unconscious mind doesn't make a difference. The problem of where such shared experience resides remains the same.
Incidentally, the answer is nowhere. It resides nowhere. Because it doesn't exist.
Voltaire2
(12,977 posts)MineralMan
(146,281 posts)Yeah...that's the ticket...
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)You'd have to be personally infallible to find modern medicine a more authoritative resource on human pyschology than an anonymous, unqualified internet commentator. And you can't be confident in anything you believe unless you can prove it geometrically.
Them's the rules, MM.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)but unless you claim to be infallible, this is merely your personal opinion.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)How original.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)Do you know Daliah Merzaban? Is that someone you trust? If so, please explain why you put your trust in that person.
When will you start posting your own ideas, in your own words? Why should we pay attention to your random copy and paste posts from here and there?
Some members of this group think hard and post conclusions they have drawn from a lifetime of reading and thinking. You seem to just post whatever appeals to you from just about anyone.
Please think longer, and post what you have considered and weighed. Speak for yourself, rather than just parroting others.
Thanks. That would be great!
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)that "think hard" and post conclusions. But your thinking about theism is simply your own, unsupported, and totally unsupportable ideas that are based on your belief that your hard thinking has lead you to some truth.
As to your question about the author, and trust, explain to me why I should trust anything that you say.
And, as is your consistent pattern, you attempt to put down those who disagree with you. I understand that need, and what motivates it. Do you?
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)When you could have just said
"no"
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But thank you for the editorial advice.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)That you are still refusing to engage in ay sort of dialogue?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)You have been the missing number in this group for as long as you've been here.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)You can answer, or evade.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)BTW, never talk to me about evening questions. Especially in a subthread you started in evading a question.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)in which a number of non-theists decided to avoid the topic, and one decided to engage in personal attack and name calling. So, in that spirit, I will take you avoidance as evidence that #7 is the opposite of dialogue. And typical of 11th Commandment behavior.
And yes, there is the 11th Commandment reference that a few of you dislike, but if it were not so obviously correct, and so often seen, I would not use it so often.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Everyone knows that when you run to the commandment nonsense you've got nothing, do you really think anyone buys it? (Protip: they don't)
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Or continue trying to change the subject.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Why do you refuse to engage in dialogue? MM is trying to get anything out of you, because you beligerantly refuse to engage, why do you act that way? Heck one time it put you in a very uncomfortable position of defending some nasty characters, I can provide a link of others want.
Docreed2003
(16,855 posts)While you and MM may have back and forths, the post itself is not an attack...he is asking you to expound on your post and explain what you, personally, believe.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Ive asked you this before when youve made previous half-fast name calling accusations and you refused to answer as is almost always the case with you, yet now you want to try and claim others are refusing dialog.
Permanut
(5,593 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Do you understand the motivations of the poster of #7?
Permanut
(5,593 posts)In the case of poster #7, he makes it clear from the get-go that his posts are his opinions. That is aside, of course, from quoted material.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)He makes up his own rules for this group and whines incessantly when he decides they have been violated. He claims to have all sort of statistics on the regular posters here and regularly uses them to stalk other posters, all the while claiming he is the true victim. Whenever you call BS on his antics, he will claim you attacked him and called him names despite having no evidence for it. The first few times its kinda funny, then it becomes banal.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)from legions of unnamed admirers, asking him to continue doing what he is doing, and praising his efforts in this group. His main purpose for posting in this group may be to elicit more applause from his fan club.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)gtar100
(4,192 posts)And remembrance of that divinity, our awakening. Not easy; so many distractions, deceptions, deceit, and dishonesty. So much has been obscured by the pursuit of a single orthodoxy (one shoe fits all). All these symbols (Mary, Jesus, Allah, Buddha, Shanti, Krishna...) are used by organized religions with the intent of keeping some form of priesthood in between people and the divine. As if we need them for that! Rumi makes it a very personal thing; how could it be otherwise even as our minds journey in the collective consciousness of humanity.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)I agree that we must each experience the divine.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)and getting them from classic literature or comic books?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)and animals who rescue others, and so it seems to have lost much of what it meant.
I would say that Jesus is a religious figure. Were His actions heroic, or were they dictated by His mission?
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)It appears to me that the OP article is treating prophets as personal heroes[or spiritual guide, imaginary friend, Jungian archetype, historical examplar of life well lived etc.] It seems to me you can do the same with any figure of history or literature, religious or not.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And that, I believe, is the entire point of it. That we can all become prophets by recognizing the divine within us all.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)the other is a literary creation. Unless by Batman you mean a metaphor for anyone who fights for justice. But the poster never suggests that anyone can become Jesus or Mohammed. The poster suggests that we can become like them.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)we can become Winston Churchill, who did exist. My point remains. The process described in the aricle is not limited to religious figures.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)There is a difference between becoming and becoming like.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)My point is that religious figures are not unique in regards to the points made by the article.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)There is a difference. Religious figures are unique in many aspects, or they would not be so unusual.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Jesus preached and lived a message.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)And every organism that reproduces sexually is unique.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)And it has lasted even longer than Jesus.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Getting through the tedium of having every word you say defined out of the argument.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)I'll call it Bluism, our prophet will be Winston Churchill and the first commandment will be "Never, never, never, never give in."
Voltaire2
(12,977 posts)It appears to be nearly impossible to become an historic person from the past. Batman is a fictional character with no supernatural powers, hes just got great gadgets and lots of money. Becoming Batman seems entirely possible.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)or another version?
Voltaire2
(12,977 posts)You would become a pretend Batman.