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Related: About this forumA tale of two logos: Atheist group targeting Wyoming goes after Ohio city over cross
Published: Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 2:25 PM Updated: Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 2:46 PM
By Garret Ellison | gellison@mlive.com
STEUBENVILLE, OHIO An eastern Ohio town with a cross on its logo is standing its ground for the moment against the threat of legal action from the same Wisconsin atheist group taking a similar issue with the city seal in Wyoming.
Reporter David Gossett of The Herald Star newspaper in the Upper Ohio Valley reports that city leaders in Steubenville are holding off a prior decision to change the city logo after several attorneys offered the city free legal representation.
Both Wyoming and Steubenville have been targeted recently by the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) of Madison, Wis., which is demanding each city alter its respective logo to remove small depictions of a Christian cross.
The foundation faxed a letter to Wyoming Mayor Jack Poll on July 20 demanding the city change its unconstitutional logo, arguing that the addition of the church silhouette on a city insignia violates the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitutions First Amendment.
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/07/a_tale_of_two_city_logos_athei.html
I wonder what they're doing for Alexander Aan.
dballance
(5,756 posts)Someone correct me if I'm wrong. But as I understand it during our not too distant past towns displayed crosses in the town squares, on town seals, and in literature about the town as a coded message to Jews: "STAY AWAY."
cbayer
(146,218 posts)or brought lawsuits? Or have they?
Plantaganet
(241 posts)And, presumably, gay Jews.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Let's see if your crew answers the whistle.
rug
(82,333 posts)Oh, it doesn't. It simply deflects. Again.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Rather than deal with the issue of the logo of a US city, you bring up something else.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Go here
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/town-forced-to-remove-cross-from-logo.html
And read the replies. THIS is what many atheists have to live with on a daily basis. Perhaps a little understanding for our viewpoint may come from this. Probably not, but it's worth a try.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Once again, I'm convinced that Idiocracy is a documentary.
rug
(82,333 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)What if it were homosexuals? Jews? Muslims?
Or do you reserve your snark and nastiness only for atheists, cuz we're so special?
rug
(82,333 posts)A minority based on an intellectual, and often transient, conclusion, is far from a minority based on sexual orientation, ethnicity or race.
And it's still Fox.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Thanks for clearing that up.
rug
(82,333 posts)You equate not buying bullshit with hatred. The jury is still out on contempt.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Do you think church-state separation issues are bullshit?
This particular bullshit, as opposed to the general bullshit, is that the comments section of Fox News is illustrative of the particular persecution of atheists.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)that anti-atheist hatred exists.
Got it. Thanks for your continued shitting on atheists, rug. You provide a valuable community service.
rug
(82,333 posts)It would be foolish to then describe the human body as a mass of disease. Extrapolation can be tricky, depending on the sample.
And I again commend you on the heightened tome your last sentence brings.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Which I know is why you reserve particular snappiness for me.
You analogy fails poorly - no one has ever said that EVERYONE hates atheists or that we are discriminated against "no differently" than blacks or homosexuals. Only that anti-atheist discrimination exists and is real. Your continued refusal to accept this basic fact is just another way you enjoy slapping atheists in the face and why you get back exactly what you give.
Maybe someday you'll learn and start acting more "Christian."
rug
(82,333 posts)Unless you have no choice.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Unless you have another snappy last word snipe to make?
rug
(82,333 posts)that is a bigoted remark against anyone who has a mental illness.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)A very apt analogy to heated discussion and debate.
So, are you calling me a bigot?
rug
(82,333 posts)Excepte that phrase is rarely heard outside hospital wards, psychiatric wards to be specific, and never in a boxing ring.
I repeat: That's a bigoted statement. Own it or disavow it.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)particularly a psychiatric patient.
I also object to it's use here.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Do a Google search on the phrase. Tell me what you find to be the most common uses of it.
Then come back here tell me what you think I am. You're trying to squelch debate because you've lost again, and I'm not letting you play that game.
Rob H.
(5,352 posts)I've always assumed that's what people mean when they use it here.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)working in a psych unit. He has said that once it becomes clear who is the psych patient, rounds are over.
While it may be used differently elsewhere, he is the one who introduced it and defined it here.
It's offensive.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)And to attempt to silence someone by implying they ARE using it in an offensive way is dishonest and disrespectful.
Take me at my word, and I'll do the same for you.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)dimbear
(6,271 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)This is their most recent press release:
http://ffrf.org/news/releases/ffrf-cautions-steubenville-not-to-be-duped-by-religious-right-offers/
This is the story a day earlier:
Steubenville puts logo change on hold
http://www.cantonrep.com/newsnow/x521646526/Steubenville-puts-logo-change-on-hold
Is the Christian Post reporting the earlier decision, to change the logo, which was put on hold? I don't see FFRF failing to announce this.