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rug

(82,333 posts)
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 08:09 PM Aug 2012

Religion and Dying: How to Address Advance Care Planning in Your Faith Community

Guest Column by the Rev. Tarris Rosell, Ph.D., D.Min.,
Rosemary Flanigan Chair, Center for Practical Bioethics

By ABC News
Aug 22, 2012 4:50pm

A recent news story quoted a father who said that his faith would not allow for his dying daughter to be moved to hospice. On religious grounds, he had demanded doctors keep trying to cure her long after they knew that comfort care was the best and most compassionate option.

I read this and wondered what sort of religion that man followed ascribed to and how badly he had misconstrued its actual teachings. I’m guessing that Dad and daughter had not talked this over, nor consulted faith leaders, in advance of her illness and dying. Too bad.

None of the world’s major religions insist on futile medical treatments or require adherents to demand of doctors what will not benefit patients. Religions differ on many matters of fact and faith; but most all of them teach compassion, the virtue of comforting the afflicted, and accepting the inevitability of physical death. No religion of which I’m aware condones torture — which is how futile medical treatments often are described by healthcare providers who feel forced to do things to patients that won’t help and might harm.

We need to talk about this.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/08/22/religion-and-dying-how-to-address-advance-care-planning-in-your-faith-community/

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Religion and Dying: How to Address Advance Care Planning in Your Faith Community (Original Post) rug Aug 2012 OP
That's why planning for your medical care is so important.... Swede Atlanta Aug 2012 #1
Good advice. rug Aug 2012 #4
But certain religions skepticscott Aug 2012 #2
Name them. rug Aug 2012 #3
Wow skepticscott Aug 2012 #5
Wow. rug Aug 2012 #6
Look, it can learn skepticscott Aug 2012 #9
Could it be The Catholic Church anong the "certain religions"? rug Aug 2012 #10
So you're saying that the RCC just want's people to exist? eqfan592 Aug 2012 #12
No, as you well know, that's not what I'm saying. rug Aug 2012 #13
He's just asking for a straight answer to a straight question. You know, like he always does. mr blur Aug 2012 #7
You want to answer it? rug Aug 2012 #11
Good hospital ethics committees will take the time to explore the death and dying cbayer Aug 2012 #8
 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
1. That's why planning for your medical care is so important....
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:16 PM
Aug 2012

Be sure you have a living will, advance directive, etc. to be sure your wishes are known. While you should have a medical power of attorney be sure they are bound by your living will/advance directive. Any wiggle room should be addressed by being sure your medical POA understand and agree with your wishes. If not, jettison them.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
2. But certain religions
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:24 PM
Aug 2012

DO insist on keeping people alive under conditions where they have explicitly expressed their wish not to be. They insist on having control over other people's lives and deaths which absolutely nothing entitles them to, and they will fight tooth and nail for that kind of control over others.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
5. Wow
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:22 AM
Aug 2012

Let me get this straight...YOU of all people have the temerity to ask someone to back up a claim with evidence? My irony meter just blew a fuse..

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
9. Look, it can learn
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:24 AM
Aug 2012

Ask yourself what religion(s) and what religious denomination(s) have been fighting against assisted suicide and right to die laws tooth and nail, (despite having no standing whatsoever to interfere in personal life choices) and you'll have your answer. Of course, you could claim that none are or ever have, but we both know that would be a lie.

And just to remind everyone about the Catholic interference in the Terry Schiavo case:

"The Vatican likened the removal of her feeding tube to capital punishment for an innocent woman."

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
10. Could it be The Catholic Church anong the "certain religions"?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:30 PM
Aug 2012

What are the others?

BTW, the RCC does not require extraordinary means to maintain life. Food and nourishment are not extraordinary means.

The right to die is an entirely different argument that's not part of the OP.

The amount of ignorance you post, mingled with closed minded bias, is astounding.

eqfan592

(5,963 posts)
12. So you're saying that the RCC just want's people to exist?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:35 PM
Aug 2012

No matter how much pain they may be in, or how torturous the existence may be, so long as they are getting their food, the RCC doesn't care if they are trying anything to relieve patients of their suffering? Just so long as they are fed, nothing else needs to be done?

Got it, thanks for clearing that up, rug.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
13. No, as you well know, that's not what I'm saying.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:37 PM
Aug 2012

To know what another says, it is useful to read that person's words rather than google talking points.

Get back to me when you've cleared your mind.

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
7. He's just asking for a straight answer to a straight question. You know, like he always does.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 07:44 AM
Aug 2012
for the reality-impaired

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
8. Good hospital ethics committees will take the time to explore the death and dying
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:02 AM
Aug 2012

rituals of various religions and develop policies to specifically address them.

The situation described here (wanting to prolong care based on some faulty interpretation of religious beliefs) is pretty common and many families are relieved to have someone step in and say they don't have to do that.

This article has good advice for individuals and congregations. I hope it is widely distributed.

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