NJ Megachurch Pastor: America Is Not a Christian Nation

[ButterflyBlood]

http://www.christianpost.com/news/nj-megachurch-pastor-america-is-not-a-christian-nation-82145

Tim Lucas, lead pastor of Liquid Church in New Jersey, told his congregation on Sunday that, contrary to the popular opinion within some Christian circles, the United States is not a Christian nation, and the majority of the people in his congregation seem to agree with him.

"When we call America a Christian nation, what that assumes is at some point in our history we were operating wholeheartedly in the kingdom of God," said Lucas.

He added, "There is no doubt our country has been blessed and influenced by Judeo-Christian values. We're thankful for that. But there's very little evidence that America as a whole ever had some golden age when we operated wholeheartedly with kingdom of God values."

I found this and was actually rather impressed and somewhat surprised. Of course he's in New Jersey and not the South, where there seems to a message and mindset that the US is some type of country specifically favored by God in world affairs and anything it does is God's work, some junk heard from pro-Republican evangelicals defending the Iraq War.

[hrmjustin]

1. He is right that if this was a christian nation it would look like the kingdom of God.

[msongs]

3. unfortunately the majority claim to be christians and we have what we have as a result ;-( n t

[Drale]

2. He's saying we are not a christian nation because

we don't act like what he thinks how a christian nation should act, not because the founding fathers never wanted us to be a "christian nation".

[hrmjustin]

4. Point taken. Well at least we know the truth.

This is a secular nation full of religious and non-religious people.

[ashling]

5. That is the point I was going to make

why do I have this OCD habit of reading down thread to see if anyone else has already said what I was going to say and then feel like "Well shit, somebody already said that"?

Anyway, you are right. Sounds to me like he is saying that we should get with the God program! Notice he didn't talk about any contributions from non Judeo-Christian concepts . . .

BTW, I don't actually have OCD. I have CDO: all the letters in alphabetical order - as it should be!

[xfundy]

6. Well, OF COURSE the USA *was* a Christian nation!

How else could we have had slavery, anti-semitism, women with no rights (but the "rule of thumb" kept a few husbands from beating their wives with a stick thicker than their thumb), anti-Catholicism, anti-immigrants, the KKK, integration, separate but equal, etc?

Today's "christians" — the loudest ones, anyway, want to return to those good ol' biblical days. AND put a MOR(m)ON in the white house.

[ButterflyBlood]

8. What's wrong with anti-Catholicism?

That'd be a liberal thing. I mean look at who's attacking people like Timothy Dolan now, or a group like ACT UP.

[Kolesar]

7. We're a "TV Nation" eom

[muriel_volestrangler]

9. Looks like Dan Ackroyd wearing an Elvis wig (nt)