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Related: About this forumTrial Begins for Christians Arrested for Reading Bible Outside California DMV
The incident occurred in February 2011 when Pastor Brett Coronado, Mark Mackey and Edward Florez, Jr. went to the DMV in Hemet early one morning to evangelize those who were waiting for the facility to open. As they stood on the public sidewalk, Mackey began to read out loud from the Bible.
However, soon after, he was approached by a security officer at the DMV, who asked him to move elsewhere. The men then asserted that they had a First Amendment right to stand on the sidewalk, and Mackey continued to read from the Scriptures.
Approximately 10 minutes later, a California patrol officer arrived on the scene, grabbed Mackeys Bible, and put him in handcuffs. He informed the men that they could not preach to a captive audience.
http://christiannews.net/2013/08/05/trial-begins-for-christians-arrested-for-reading-bible-outside-california-dmv/
Warpy
(111,252 posts)They were in the parking lot, not on a sidewalk where the cops could have made a case that they were impeding people from entering the DMV.
While I don't much like these assholes telling me I'm going to hell if I don't suck up to their often insane version of Jebus, I think this is a clear case of police over reaction. Ignoring them would have been much more effective.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)ago there were Paulites outside of the PO doing the same kind of thing. They had pictures of Obama with Hitler mustaches.
They also refused to leave. I don't know what eventually happened, but I never saw them there again.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)"No law" restricting the free exercise of religion or freedom of speech or non-violent assembly means no law.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)clinics?
Rob H.
(5,351 posts)Excerpt:
The most significant and well-known federal law restricting the speech of antiabortion protesters is the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances (FACE) Act. Signed into law by the Clinton administration in May 1994, the FACE Act makes it a federal crime to use force, the threat of force, or physical obstruction to prevent individuals from obtaining or providing reproductive health services. The law provides criminal and civil penalties; the U.S. Department of Justice investigates and files charges for criminal violations, while any individual or facility that has been victimized in violation of the Act (as well as any federal, state, or local government) can bring a civil suit. FACE specifically avoids infringement of First Amendment rights by focusing on criminal conduct such as vandalism, threats, assault, and trespassing, and has been upheld by appeals courts in every circuit.
Several states also have local laws that restrict certain forms of speech at abortion clinics. Three states (Colorado, Massachusetts, and Montana) and a handful of cities have buffer zone laws which physically restrict the movement of protesters within a certain distance of building entrances. Maine, Washington, and the District of Columbia also proscribe certain levels of noise outside of clinics. These laws have been held to be constitutional time, place, and manner restrictions under Madsen v. Womens Health Center, Inc, Schenck v. Pro-Choice Network of Western New York, and Hill v. Colorado. California, New York, and Washington also have their state-level versions of the FACE act, and 10 other states have other statutes restricting harassment at clinics and other healthcare facilities.
Practical Restrictions
There are two additional practical restrictions which have some connection to legal protections and limitations, but are not necessarily part of free speech jurisprudence or enforced by police. The first of these is trespassing laws. Protesters First Amendment rights only apply in public areas; clinics and their landlords have no obligation or desire to allow protesters to cross their private property lines. The nature of property lines can have a major impact on the efficacy of protesters speech and their ability to reach their intended audience. For example, Potomac Family Planning in Rockville, Maryland is located in a business park, with its entrance in the center of a parking lot and facing away from the street. At that clinic, protesters cannot go past the edge of the driveways, putting them easily over a hundred feet from the clinic entrance and the patients entering the clinic. By contrast, the Planned Parenthood health center in downtown Washington, DC is located in a building on land leased from the city, meaning that protesters have free access to the front lawn and sidewalk up to the front door of the clinic. These two physical settings provide radically different venues for protesters speech without any legal or constitutional effects.
The second tool used by some clinics to counteract the effects of antiabortion protesters, especially ones that engage in sidewalk counseling, is volunteer clinic escorts. These are individuals who, in coordination with the clinic, provide an easily identifiable pro-choice presence at the clinic to reassure and comfort visitors. Clinic escorts also provide a physical barrier between visitors and protesters, walking with visitors and speaking to them in order to distract from the (often very loud and insistent) protesters as the patient approaches or leaves the building. In essence, escorts are part of a marketplace of ideas solution to the speech of protesters, providing both a voice for the clinic (albeit a brief one) and a method of delivering visitors safely into the building where they can be exposed to the full speech potential of the clinic itself. The FACE Act specifically includes clinic escorts in the protected category of individuals obtaining or providing reproductive health care services. These two cases demonstrate that there are a variety of practical considerations in freedom of assembly and free speech, not solely legal ones.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)There are PLENTY of regulations in the US regarding speech and assembly, and you can't build a church just anywhere or hold a church service just anywhere and anytime you want.
LostOne4Ever
(9,288 posts)I can kill people as human sacrifices to my goddess the invisible pink unicorn, may her hooves forever be blessed, and they can't do anything to me?
Because they can pass "No law" restricting my free exercise of religion
Where is the nearest Republican headquarters....i got alot of sacrificing to do!
Deep13
(39,154 posts)...respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
What's that? This has nothing to do with Congress? Yeah, well...
"Amendment XIV: Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; * * *"
So, the state is not abridging their 1st Amendment rights at all! It's their 14th Am. rights that are getting screwed.
TheBlackAdder
(28,186 posts)There are a whole bunch of other rulings that protect free speech as well as a person's right not to hear it when they are in a situation that they cannot evade it.
You can quote the Constitution all you want... SCOTUS ruled on many of these issues.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)...and put Bush in office. There lost any credibility that they had.
"no law"
TheBlackAdder
(28,186 posts)Then go ahead and yell "FIRE" in a crowed movie theater.
Oh, that's right... There's A LAW AGAINST THAT!
Deep13
(39,154 posts)I think it's time we admit that our 18th century, pre-industrial Constitution no longer works.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)(and non-burning) theater??
And can I publish a book saying that YOU are a pedophile and murderer? I think I'll do that since nobody can pass laws against it.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)Seriously, you would not want me deciding that.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Seems to me that the experts deal with it all the time.
TheBlackAdder
(28,186 posts)Downwinder
(12,869 posts)failing to obtain a permit to conduct a demonstration or gathering in or upon any state buildings or grounds."
TheBlackAdder
(28,186 posts)Just as a person has the right to Free Speech, others have a right against Compelled Listening.
There are certain safeguards in place to protect people at their doorstep of their home, against a hostile workplace while at the same time, the principles of Free Speech are to promote democracy, autonomy and a marketplace of ideas.
Since the people could not escape the message without leaving the area, most likely a queue that they've been standing in for some time, that would impose a hardship on them. This would most likely validate the captive audience portion of the doctrine. The location is another issue, as public transportation is barred from certain advertisements and medical centers.
Here is a nice write-up:
http://128.197.26.3/law/central/jd/organizations/journals/bulr/volume89n3/documents/CORBIN.pdf
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)He kept saying he wasn't that interested, but I wouldn't listen.
Firefly is awesome though. The TV show not the bug. Actually the bug is pretty awesome too.
Bryant
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