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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 01:46 PM Aug 2013

Evangelical pastor to stand trial in Massachusetts for alleged crimes against humanity

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/14/evangelical-pastor-to-stand-trial-in-massachusetts-for-alleged-crimes-against-humanity/

By Eric W. Dolan
Wednesday, August 14, 2013 22:15 EDT



A federal judge on Wednesday denied a motion to dismiss a crimes against humanity case brought against evangelical pastor Scott Lively of Massachusetts.

Lively is accused of violating international law by inciting the persecution of LGBT individuals in Uganda. The lawsuit was filed by the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) on behalf of Sexual Minorities of Uganda (SMUG) in 2012.

“We are gratified that the court recognized the persecution and the gravity of the danger faced by our clients as a result of Scott Lively’s actions,” CCR Attorney Pam Spees said. “Lively’s single-minded campaign has worked to criminalize their very existence, strip away their fundamental rights and threaten their physical safety.”

The lawsuit alleged that Lively aided the persecution of LGBT people in Uganda over the past decade and inspired notorious anti-LGBT legislation known as the “Kill the Gays” bill.

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Evangelical pastor to stand trial in Massachusetts for alleged crimes against humanity (Original Post) cbayer Aug 2013 OP
Good... haikugal Aug 2013 #1
This was the first I had heard about this monster. cbayer Aug 2013 #2
I learned about him... haikugal Aug 2013 #3
I would be really interested in seeing that video. cbayer Aug 2013 #4
I'm trying... haikugal Aug 2013 #7
Aha! shenmue Aug 2013 #5
This is great news. This man is evil! hrmjustin Aug 2013 #6
Excellent! okasha Aug 2013 #8
I will never understand people like him LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #9
Religion seems to provide that missing element. trotsky Aug 2013 #12
That is definitely one of the reasons! LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #13
Oh it has always existed in humans - goes back to our development as a group-oriented species. trotsky Aug 2013 #14
Richard Krafft-Ebing had some very tempting ideas about the whole connection. dimbear Aug 2013 #19
Here's the Order (79 pp.) rug Aug 2013 #10
. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #11
I think Sen Inhoff of Okla has deep ties to this same missionary hate group stuffmatters Aug 2013 #15
you are right ninjanurse Aug 2013 #17
Harpers Magazine Reported on This ninjanurse Aug 2013 #16
Thanks for the link. Wish Warren, Inhofe & other Family profiteers would be charged too. stuffmatters Aug 2013 #18

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
1. Good...
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 02:17 PM
Aug 2013

I'll be watching this. He is a major player in this religious nonsense and the horrifying actions of people in Uganda, and elsewhere in the world.

Thanks for posting this here.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
2. This was the first I had heard about this monster.
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 02:19 PM
Aug 2013

Very glad to see the judicial system dealing with him.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
3. I learned about him...
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 02:31 PM
Aug 2013

through a movie or video about his involvement...wish I could remember where (anyone?)...these people use water and digging wells as a foot in the door to evangelize as well. Horrible...but this guy is among the worst.

I'll see if I can find that vid for you.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. I would be really interested in seeing that video.
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 02:33 PM
Aug 2013

I believe I read recently that there was a new documentary about this subject in general, but I don't remember anything specifically about him.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
7. I'm trying...
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 05:00 PM
Aug 2013

I saw the video about the three day conference he was part of and did some research on the organizations involved and learned a lot...so far I haven't found the video I watched but here is a piece of his work..

Scott Lively recommending NARTH to Ugandans in third day of Homosexuality Seminar in Kampala, Uganda. It should be noted that references to Lively have been removed by NARTH from their website.





Still looking but I'm a bit busy today. It may take me a while...I'm pm you when and if I can locate it again.

LostOne4Ever

(9,286 posts)
9. I will never understand people like him
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 06:28 PM
Aug 2013

How can someone hate someone else sooo very much especially when the group of people they hate have never done anything to him and their activities hurt no one.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
12. Religion seems to provide that missing element.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 09:10 AM
Aug 2013

When you believe hatred is commanded by god, that's all the reason you need. If presented with any evidence to suggest the targets of your hatred are just normal, peaceful people, well that's Satan trying to trick you.

LostOne4Ever

(9,286 posts)
13. That is definitely one of the reasons!
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 12:54 PM
Aug 2013

Evil dogmas that encourage people to disregard their own conscience. But it also has to go beyond that. Religions are a human invention and someone had to have that bias before they decided to write down their books.

What could make someone hate someone else so much that they would create whole religions and have that hate be a central theme? To make them say that the deity they are inventing spoke out against it personally?

Patriarchy, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, etc.

None of it is rational to me, and I just can't wrap my mind around it.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
14. Oh it has always existed in humans - goes back to our development as a group-oriented species.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:37 PM
Aug 2013

Distrust outsiders. Defend your group. Etc.

But like I said, religion provides that missing element - a rationale (don't forget the E on the end!) for why your hatred is not only justified, but possibly even COMMANDED. Religion helps prevent critical examination of our biases and fears by insulating them in a protective layer.

Even liberal believers don't like to touch that protective layer and defend against the criticism of religious belief.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
19. Richard Krafft-Ebing had some very tempting ideas about the whole connection.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:21 PM
Aug 2013

Got him into a spot of trouble with the church. BTW, there's a very nice edition of his masterwork over at Gutenberg now, if you read French. Well hyper-linked and all.

ninjanurse

(93 posts)
16. Harpers Magazine Reported on This
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 08:37 PM
Aug 2013

Scott Lively, John Ashcroft and Rick Warren were all involved in anti-gay politics in Uganda. I wrote a post about David Kato with some links-
http://www.emancipationconversation.com/2012/11/23/uganda-kill-the-gays-law-may-cost-them/

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