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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 03:47 PM Aug 2013

Georgia mom upset over 'God is dead' artwork in school

Crystal Mitchell is angry about a drawing hanging in her daughter's classroom, on which a student wrote the phrase, "God is Dead."

"It made my daughter very uncomfortable," Mitchell said. "If my child can't pray in school and they've taken religion out of school, for this to be plastered on the walls of school, is a huge concern for me."

Mitchell may not have read "The Crucible," or seen it on Broadway, or seen one of the two film adaptations, but the canonical American play that depicts the Salem witch trials as an allegory for Red Scare McCarthyism is standard high school reading. The play was written by Arthur Miller, who also penned "Death of a Salesman."

Delivered by wrongfully imprisoned protagonist John Proctor, the phrase "God is dead" was metaphorical. But Mitchell's daughter may not have been in class that day.

http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/Blog/2013/08/19/Georgia-mom-upset-over-God-is-dead-artwork-in-school/9621376926924/
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unblock

(52,118 posts)
1. "if my daughter can't pray in school" -- yet more religious ignorance.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 03:51 PM
Aug 2013

show me a math test and i'll show you prayer in school. perfectly legal.

the school can't organize it, *that* what's banned, but students can pray if they want.



oh, but atheists can't express their views, of course, whether quoting miller or not.
it upsets certain delicate Christians....

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
3. That's not really fair.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 03:57 PM
Aug 2013

There is just one person complaining and she didn't understand the context. The school has taken the position that they will not remove this and that they will do some educational work with the students to help them understand the context.

unblock

(52,118 posts)
6. i should have made it clear that it was the mom i was mocking, not the student.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:06 PM
Aug 2013

and context isn't really required. christian students have a right to religious expression when they do artwork at school, so do atheists and others. "god is dead", draw by a student and posted on a classroom wall, would be ok, just as "christ is lord" would also be ok, if done by a student.

it's only a problem if the school guided them in making such statements, or was discriminatory in picking out what went up on the wall.

the miller play provides a different rationale, but it's protected either way.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
2. Shouldn't she be happy
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 03:54 PM
Aug 2013

Isn't this the cry of the GOP since prayer was taken out of school ever since Obama took office.

I bet this crazy ass mother already has an attorney.

Xipe Totec

(43,888 posts)
5. Dogma 1999 - The Sign of a True Catholic
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:02 PM
Aug 2013

Bethany: You're suggesting I need to get filled?

Liz: In more ways than one. You need to get laid, Bethany Sloane. You need a man, if only for ten minutes.

Bethany: It's been my experience that the average male is never a man. Not even for ten minutes in his entire lifespan.

Liz: That's a bit militant. You thinking of joining the other side?

Bethany: Couldn't do it. Women are insane.

Liz: Then YOU need to go back to church and ask God for a third option.

Bethany: I think that God is dead.

Liz: The sign of a true Catholic.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=560939


I think somebody was quoting movie scripts.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
8. A climactic scene.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:35 PM
Aug 2013
PROCTOR: (Leaning across the table, turning her gently by the arm.) Mary, tell the Governor what they…

MARY: (Backing away.) Don’t touch me… don’t touch me!

PROCTOR: Mary!

MARY: (Pointing at Proctor.) You are the Devil’s man!

PARRIS: Praise God!

PROCTOR: Mary, how…?

MARY: I’ll not hang with you! I love God, I love God—

DANFORTH: (To Mary.) He bid you do the Devil’s work?

MARY: (Hysterically, indicating Proctor.) He come at me by night and every day to sign, to sign, to…

DANFORTH: Sign what?

PARRIS: The Devil’s book? He come with a book?

MARY: (Hysterically, pointing at Proctor.) My name, he want my name; I’ll murder you, he says, if my wife hangs! We must go and overthrow the court, he says…!

PROCTOR: (Eyes follow Mary.) Mister Hale…!

MARY: (Her sobs beginning.) He wake me every night, his eyes were like coals and his fingers claw my neck, and I sign, I sign….

HALE: Excellency, the child’s gone wild.

PROCTOR: Mary, Mary…!

MARY: (Screaming at him.) No, I love God; I go your way no more, (Looking at Abigail.) I love God, I bless God…. (Sobbing, she rushes to Abigail.) Abby, Abby, I’ll never hurt you more! (All watch, as Abigail reaches out and draws sobbing Mary to her, then looks up to Danforth.)

DANFORTH: What are you! You are combined with anti-Christ, are you not? I have seen your power, Mister, you will not deny it!

HALE: This is not witchcraft! Those girls are frauds! You condemn an honest man!

DANFORTH: I will have nothing from you, Mister Hale! (To Proctor.) Will you confess yourself befouled with hell, or do you keep that black allegiance yet? What say you?

PROCTOR: I say… God is dead!

PARRIS: (Crossing L. toward door.) Hear it, hear it!

PROCTOR: A fire, a fire is burning! I hear the boot of Lucifer, I see his filthy face. And it is my face and yours, Danforth. For them that quail now when you know in all your black hearts that this be fraud. God damns our kind especially, and we will burn, we will burn together!

DANFORTH: Marshal, take him and Corey with him to the jail!

HALE: (Crossing D.L.) I denounce these proceedings! I quit this court! (Hale EXITS.)

PROCTOR: You are pulling heaven down and raising up a whore.

DANFORTH: (Shocked.) Mister Hale, Mister Hale!

CURTAIN
 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
13. Teach this every year
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:29 AM
Aug 2013

I always liked "You are pulling heaven down and raising up a whore" better than "God is dead" but the latter is the climax.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
14. The contrast between Proctor's earlier demeanor to this is amazing.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:01 AM
Aug 2013

Miller pulled bits of him off until this scene where he was left raw.

I've never seen this play performed but will one day I hope.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
15. One of our local theater groups
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:32 PM
Aug 2013

will be performing The Crucible this fall. Another is doing The Laramie Project, which I'm helping to costume. Pretty good for a staunchly Democratic but not particularly liberal city.

Jim__

(14,063 posts)
9. Is this the picture?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:12 PM
Aug 2013

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I think the drawing of the woman is pretty good, especially for a high school student.

Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
12. That makes sense. I took a bible as literature class here in NYC public HS.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:38 PM
Aug 2013

Thanks for clearing it up.

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