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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 12:51 PM Aug 2013

One-Third of U.S. Employees Say Employers Do Not Accommodate Religion in Workplaces

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/8/prweb11066796.htm

Tanenbaum’s national survey, ‘What American Workers Really Think About Religion,’ finds religious discrimination is rampant in American workplaces with members of different religions all experiencing religious prejudice at work.


What American Workers Really Think About Religion
...religion is a workplace issue. Employers who ignore it, do so at their own risk.

New York, NY (PRWEB) August 30, 2013

Consider a typical workplace: meetings, production deadlines, coffee or smoke breaks and casual Fridays all come to mind as part of the routine. But when it comes to prayer breaks, wearing religious garb in the office and other accommodations specific to religion, that’s a different story.

This Labor Day weekend, a new national survey released by the Tanenbaum Center for Interreligious Understanding makes the point. Today, more than one-third of workers report observing or being subjected to religious bias at work. The survey, "What American Workers Really Think About Religion: Tanenbaum’s 2013 Survey of American Workers and Religion," examines religious bias and discrimination against American workers.

“This survey puts employers on notice,” said Tanenbaum CEO Joyce Dubensky. “American workplaces in-creasingly reflect the makeup of the country; they’re more and more diverse. Work is the place where people with extremely different beliefs interact on a regular basis. But where there’s more diversity, the survey shows that we can expect to find more conflict.”

Survey results confirm that a majority of workers believe Muslims are facing discrimination at work. The Muslim community is not alone.

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One-Third of U.S. Employees Say Employers Do Not Accommodate Religion in Workplaces (Original Post) cbayer Aug 2013 OP
Isn't religion something to practice on one's own time? FiveGoodMen Aug 2013 #1
It's about accommodation and non-believers are also expressing concern. cbayer Aug 2013 #5
Fundies think they aren't being accommodated when they are prohibited from proselytizing kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #2
Well, that's not what the study found. cbayer Aug 2013 #6
That certainly seems to be part of it FiveGoodMen Aug 2013 #8
I seen to recall the Bible saying something atreides1 Aug 2013 #3
Well, that's why some complain about the lack of accommodation to allow cbayer Aug 2013 #7
Here is the policy that works: strict secularism in the workplace. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #10
Do it on your own time. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #11
Problem not solved. Some religions involve brief prayers several times a day. cbayer Aug 2013 #13
Some people like to smoke. They can go outside. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #19
I don't think those feeling discriminated against are asking for any more cbayer Aug 2013 #20
My employer makes 'mothers rooms' available for pumping or breastfeeding. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #21
Both of those scenarios make sense to me. cbayer Sep 2013 #22
It is a counterpoint only to this. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #23
Would you like some rules that prevented people from proselytizing in the office? cbayer Sep 2013 #24
Again, pumping is a biological function. Religion is not. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #25
Huh? Male muslims don't expect for all women to cover their hair. cbayer Sep 2013 #26
Sunni and Shi'a sects do not generally like dogs much, as they are considered unclean. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #30
This is why these things need to be addressed by policy and that policy cbayer Sep 2013 #31
Religion is, by definition, special pleading. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #32
Hey, if you keep it up, you might get every one of those "logical fallacy" arguments in here, cbayer Sep 2013 #33
I didn't accuse you of special pleading. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #34
I see what she did there. She intentionally misrepresented your post in an effort to get away cleanhippie Sep 2013 #40
I'd have to look for it, but reasonably certain it's not the first time either. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #41
Considering the frequency with which it happens, it seems intentional. cleanhippie Sep 2013 #42
Just as true as the many that read without understanding. Leontius Aug 2013 #16
A Biblical Scholar? atreides1 Sep 2013 #27
If I'm the world's biggest [insert baseball team name here] fan... trotsky Aug 2013 #4
Mmm.... I don't want prayer breaks at work. Keep your religion home. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #9
This is more generally about discrimination, including discrimination towards atheists. cbayer Aug 2013 #12
Nope. It is about the self proclaimed victim Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #14
Did you read the article? It clearly talks about complaints from atheists about discrimination. cbayer Aug 2013 #15
Why yes I did. Did you? Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #17
Are you saying that as an employer you would make no attempt to accommodate? cbayer Aug 2013 #18
Consult your calculator... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2013 #35
Anyone who concludes that 95% of a polled population is delusional cbayer Sep 2013 #36
Also, unless you think evangelical christians constituted 95% of the people polled cbayer Sep 2013 #37
It's unfortunate you didn't read what I wrote very closely... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2013 #38
It's unfortunate that your calculator seems to be very broken. cbayer Sep 2013 #39
Leave your religion and politics at home dem in texas Sep 2013 #28
Yes, just be an automaton, a cog in the wheel. cbayer Sep 2013 #29

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
1. Isn't religion something to practice on one's own time?
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 12:56 PM
Aug 2013

Even when I was religious I didn't expect my job to revolve around that.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
2. Fundies think they aren't being accommodated when they are prohibited from proselytizing
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:01 PM
Aug 2013

on the job or not allowed to force others to join their religion. I think that's where that statistic comes from.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
8. That certainly seems to be part of it
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:25 PM
Aug 2013

“The experience of discrimination by the white evangelical community is a real issue for companies. It’s also a
societal issue, one that goes beyond the workplace,” Dubensky said. “Workers from the white evangelical
community are twice as likely to believe that they are experiencing a lot of discrimination, as they are to believe
that African-Americans are being discriminated against.


...

"Atheists (55%) are substantially more likely than workers in any other group to report that they themselves
face a lot of discrimination today. However, unlike white evangelical Protestants, atheists are also more
likely than workers overall to believe that Muslims (66%), gay and lesbian people (63%), Hispanics (50%), and
women (39%) experience a lot of discrimination.
"

(emphasis mine)

atreides1

(16,072 posts)
3. I seen to recall the Bible saying something
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:06 PM
Aug 2013

Matthew 6:1
"Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.


Matthew 6:5
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.


But I guess it's true that so many fail to read their own Holy Book!

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
7. Well, that's why some complain about the lack of accommodation to allow
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:13 PM
Aug 2013

them the privacy to do so.

And non-believers also feel that they are discriminated against.

The point here is that companies need to address it and set up clear and fair policies, instead of just making it up on the fly.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
10. Here is the policy that works: strict secularism in the workplace.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 10:44 PM
Aug 2013

Anything else is discriminatory, just as it is in government.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
13. Problem not solved. Some religions involve brief prayers several times a day.
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 10:49 AM
Aug 2013

Others involve the wearing of certain garb, like a yarmulke.

Would you really deny people the right to express themselves in those ways?

What about it is so threatening to you?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
19. Some people like to smoke. They can go outside.
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 07:10 PM
Aug 2013

No one is denying them anything.

I have a concealed pistol license. I carry a firearm. My employer does not allow weapons on corporate premises. I follow the rules. That's part of employment, you have an agreement with your employer. Things you can do, things you cannot do. Things they can do, things they cannot do, Things expected of either party.

If a religious person needs it that bad, they can make it part of their employment agreement, or find something else to do. Someone who 'needs' to smoke could be accommodated with a special room with a powerful ventilation system, etc. No employer is going to bother to.

At my work, if people need to pray, there are conference rooms available all hours of the day. If that's not good enough, go outside or wherever.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
20. I don't think those feeling discriminated against are asking for any more
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 07:31 PM
Aug 2013

than some accommodation.

I don't know any Muslims or Jews who would object to having a conference room available to them for private prayer.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
21. My employer makes 'mothers rooms' available for pumping or breastfeeding.
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 02:41 AM
Sep 2013

A hygiene issue, since the only other fully private place they could do it is the bathroom, and such biological functions should absolutely not be relegated to the bathroom. It is food, after all. The conference rooms are not suitable for that either, due to lack of privacy that at least some of the mothers desire.

I have seen some of the Muslims at my work use empty offices for their daily prayers. They plaster paper all over the office windows when they do it. Apparently privacy is at least somewhat desirable to them.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
22. Both of those scenarios make sense to me.
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 11:36 AM
Sep 2013

But let me point something up, your last two sentences convey a sense of ridicule or disdain. It's not overt, but it's there.

Is it intentional?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
23. It is a counterpoint only to this.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 02:39 AM
Sep 2013

"I don't know any Muslims or Jews who would object to having a conference room available to them for private prayer."

(Not seen any jews doing it, not even the guy with the strings hanging from under his shirt for some sort of orthodox clothing thing that I do not recall the name of)

My point was they seek some privacy. At least the ones I have observed. So that rules out the conference room, sans hasty paper coverings.

I cannot see my employer going and doing anything further to accommodate it. It's not a business-necessary function. Need to pray? that's what breaks were invented for. (not really, but you take my meaning I'm sure)

People are resourceful. I'm sure they'll figure it out.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
24. Would you like some rules that prevented people from proselytizing in the office?
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:24 AM
Sep 2013

That could be included in a policy that address religion in your workplace.

Lots of things aren't business-neccessary functions, but employers can choose to address them anything. The woman who is pumping breast milk isn't performing a business-necessary function, but the courtesy of the employer addressing this and accommodating her makes for a better workplace.

Just letting people figure it out leads to problems. The people in charge need to address it up front. And what is wrong with that?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
25. Again, pumping is a biological function. Religion is not.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 12:18 PM
Sep 2013

One is a material fact, and not strikingly different from legal requirements my employer follows for allowing access to certain types of mobility chair standards, etc.

The other is an idea.

We do have rules against proselytizing in the office, actually. Things that can be displayed, etc.

For non-material-fact/idea issues, I have some male muslim co-workers. How would you feel if to accommodate them, my employer required women to cover their hair, and get rid of one of my co-worker's service dogs?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
26. Huh? Male muslims don't expect for all women to cover their hair.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 12:22 PM
Sep 2013

And why would they want the service dog removed?

They just want a private place to pray.

Of course denying them that would send a clear statement that their religious differences won't be tolerated. And prove that you really have the upper hand.

Go for it. Should be great for morale and worker satisfaction.

Or, I have another idea!! Only hire people just like you and you won't have to deal with any of these pesky little problems.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
30. Sunni and Shi'a sects do not generally like dogs much, as they are considered unclean.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 12:34 PM
Sep 2013

In the UK, drug sniffing dogs are require to wear foot coverings so as not to offend in and around searches on Muslim's homes. Their saliva is actually the 'unclean' part though. So if the dog licks you, etc, there's a problem. Prisoners of various Islamic sects are usually offered new clothes if a dog licks them during a search.

I have observed visible discomfort at the presence of a dog in the room, by multiple muslims. I imagine it's a cultural insensitivity to them to force them to sit in a room with a dog (Again, some sects, this is not universal). Whose rights win? The person who needs a service dog, or the person whose interpretation of their religious faith declares a dog an unclean animal?

The hair thing is also not universal, but there are some sects where it is expected of all women.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
31. This is why these things need to be addressed by policy and that policy
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 12:38 PM
Sep 2013

should be developed by a representative group.

It's really not that hard and can lead to much greater understanding, which generally decreases prejudice and promotes tolerance.

The solution clearly is not "Screw religion - don't accommodate anything". Unless someone just wanted to be a jerk about it.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
32. Religion is, by definition, special pleading.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 12:43 PM
Sep 2013

Every one is different, based on different pleas.

I am not the one being unreasonable here.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
33. Hey, if you keep it up, you might get every one of those "logical fallacy" arguments in here,
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 12:49 PM
Sep 2013

which in and of itself is a logical fallacy.

Sorry, I'm done here for now.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
40. I see what she did there. She intentionally misrepresented your post in an effort to get away
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 12:08 PM
Sep 2013

I'm sure most other readers saw it too.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
41. I'd have to look for it, but reasonably certain it's not the first time either.
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 12:23 PM
Sep 2013

Maybe it was unintentional or the poster misunderstood me. Benefit of the doubt and all that.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
42. Considering the frequency with which it happens, it seems intentional.
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 03:41 PM
Sep 2013

But in this group, when the tough questions are asked, this is the usual tactic.

atreides1

(16,072 posts)
27. A Biblical Scholar?
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 12:24 PM
Sep 2013

Please tell me what I don't understand? It seems pretty simple to comprehend...but since you're obviously an expert on the topic, enlighten me?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
4. If I'm the world's biggest [insert baseball team name here] fan...
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:07 PM
Aug 2013

given that there are many games for all teams on a weekday during the season, should I have the right to demand my workplace accommodate my fandom and let me watch those games?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
12. This is more generally about discrimination, including discrimination towards atheists.
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 10:45 AM
Aug 2013

What difference does it make to you if someone goes to pray privately a few times a day, anyway? Why would you deny them the right to do that?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
14. Nope. It is about the self proclaimed victim
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 11:11 AM
Aug 2013

status of theocratic Christians pushing their theory that they should be deferred to all over the place in their religious practices, from pharmacists refusing to dispense, hospitals refusing to provide care, corporate CEOs demanding the right to opt out of insurance requirements etc.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
15. Did you read the article? It clearly talks about complaints from atheists about discrimination.
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 11:44 AM
Aug 2013

Are they also self proclaimed victims?

And a lot of it is about muslims.

That's your agenda you are talking about, not the meat of the article at all.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
17. Why yes I did. Did you?
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 05:54 PM
Aug 2013

Consider a typical workplace: meetings, production deadlines, coffee or smoke breaks and casual Fridays all come to mind as part of the routine. But when it comes to prayer breaks, wearing religious garb in the office and other accommodations specific to religion, that’s a different story.

Again I don't want accommodation for people who insist on bringing their religious practices into public spaces. Again, the evangelical right feels discriminated against because they cannot force their beliefs on others and cannot impose their practices on the rest of us.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
18. Are you saying that as an employer you would make no attempt to accommodate?
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 05:57 PM
Aug 2013

I don't think this has much to do with the evangelical right.

It has to do with recognizing the differences between people, addressing those differences and making appropriate accommodations if possible.

Your rhetoric seems to have nothing to do with what this article is talking about.

Again, muslims and atheists both report high levels of discrimination.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
35. Consult your calculator...
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 08:15 PM
Sep 2013

Atheists and Muslims combined constitute less than 5% of the population. With one-third of 2,000 polled employees reporting experiences of "religious bias", the 6-in-10 white evangelical Christians who believe themselves the targets of discrimination and persecution is the more troubling figure.

If we can gleam anything from this study, it is that 95% of those reporting religious bias in their workplace are very likely delusional, and that there's nothing their employers may reasonably do to make them happy.


cbayer

(146,218 posts)
36. Anyone who concludes that 95% of a polled population is delusional
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 08:21 PM
Sep 2013

really doesn't understand science, imo.

While you may disagree that they are in fact discriminated against, and you may well be correct, they are most certainly not delusional.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
37. Also, unless you think evangelical christians constituted 95% of the people polled
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 08:24 PM
Sep 2013

(which they most certainly did not), your 95% number is just pulled out of the air.

And even if they were, the actual number of those you consider delusional would be less than 50%, as only 60% of that populations reported discrimination.

Not very reasonable or scientific.

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
28. Leave your religion and politics at home
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 12:24 PM
Sep 2013

When you go to work, you are paid to do a job, do the job, and leave your politics, religion, love life, kids problems, etc. at home.

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