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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:47 PM Jan 2013

Physicists Find Evidence That The Universe Is A 'Giant Brain'

The idea of the universe as a 'giant brain' has been proposed by scientists - and science fiction writers - for decades.

But now physicists say there may be some evidence that it's actually true. In a sense.

According to a study published in Nature's Scientific Reports, the universe may be growing in the same way as a giant brain - with the electrical firing between brain cells 'mirrored' by the shape of expanding galaxies.

The results of a computer simulation suggest that "natural growth dynamics" - the way that systems evolve - are the same for different kinds of networks - whether its the internet, the human brain or the universe as a whole.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/27/physicists-universe-giant-brain_n_2196346.html

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Physicists Find Evidence That The Universe Is A 'Giant Brain' (Original Post) dipsydoodle Jan 2013 OP
Works for me, as long as we remember that it is possible that that is not the sum-total of it. nt patrice Jan 2013 #1
This just in Roy Rolling Jan 2013 #31
Yep & that includes planet's rights to crash into a sun if they want to, dammit! patrice Jan 2013 #32
Perfect. silverweb Jan 2013 #2
Universal consciousness is an old concept dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #3
Exactly. silverweb Jan 2013 #7
mind blowing .. and completely liberating at the same time . rtassi Jan 2013 #25
So the reason God doesn't work miracles every day is... Speck Tater Jan 2013 #4
reminds me of the comic's song NMDemDist2 Jan 2013 #6
LOL silverweb Jan 2013 #8
keeping that one... raidert05 Jan 2013 #20
welcome to DU raidert05!! NMDemDist2 Jan 2013 #33
Thank You raidert05 Jan 2013 #34
Maybe He is just old and can't think as fast anymore. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #24
That's a pretty spectacular example of What's Wrong With Science Reporting. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #5
+1 n/t Silent3 Jan 2013 #12
Exactly. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #22
Spoken like someone trapped in a Giant Brain cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #27
Unbelievers will perish! All Hail Giant Brain! dorkulon Jan 2013 #35
The truth is stranger libodem Jan 2013 #9
Perhaps the universe is God's brain. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #10
This receptor needs more cannabinoids then SHRED Jan 2013 #11
+! rofl . . . patrice Jan 2013 #26
Then I think we humans, collectively, are Pinky Kennah Jan 2013 #13
Narf. Or perhaps poit. n/t ElboRuum Jan 2013 #16
Then why are so many people so unbelievably stupid? Zoeisright Jan 2013 #14
Theory on Conservation of Intelligence Kennah Jan 2013 #46
Universe is just a tiny atom lobodons Jan 2013 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Faygo Kid Jan 2013 #17
Physicist finds really good weed, leading to super-groovy hypothesis dorkulon Jan 2013 #18
Universe Grows Like a Giant Brain PADemD Jan 2013 #28
OK, so notice the differences. dorkulon Jan 2013 #30
Best part is at the end: "there is some missing understanding of how nature works" Krioukov said bananas Jan 2013 #49
Stunning image! Photo of the universe as a brain Faygo Kid Jan 2013 #19
Uh, duh Warpy Jan 2013 #21
That's not evidence... that's making an analogy for a proposed model based on a known system. gtar100 Jan 2013 #23
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all. nt Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #29
It takes 240,000,000 years for our galaxy to make a full rotation.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #36
Awesome... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #37
It's not even true for this one. HuffPo made up their interpretation. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #38
Well the truth is rather mundane Kalidurga Jan 2013 #40
Is there any way to put the Universe on Prozac? ashling Jan 2013 #39
I agree with the premise that the evolution of systems are similar .... Trajan Jan 2013 #41
aw, c'mon. yodermon Jan 2013 #44
The answer to the great question of life is "Get a Brain Morans!" Blue Owl Jan 2013 #42
The big brain am winning again! I am the GREETEST! Now I am leaving Earth forever, for NO RAISIN! progressoid Jan 2013 #43
Giant brain? That's no universe! That's my husband! calimary Jan 2013 #45
The bad news? It has Alzheimer's jberryhill Jan 2013 #47
Or a giant colon jsr Jan 2013 #48

Roy Rolling

(6,918 posts)
31. This just in
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:41 PM
Jan 2013

The GOP Science Committe released the statement "...if the universe is a giant brain we are agin it. We don't need no fancy intellectuals telling the planets what to do. We believe in planet rights."

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
2. Perfect.
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:06 PM
Jan 2013

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]"God is the Universe, becoming aware of Itself."

I read that somewhere, years ago, and it stuck with me. It made sense to me then and it makes sense to me now, and this finding fits in perfectly.

The more we learn, the more we find we have so much more to learn....

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
3. Universal consciousness is an old concept
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:10 PM
Jan 2013

and one which has always made sense to me from a very early age.
And WE are part of that whole concept.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
7. Exactly.
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:40 PM
Jan 2013

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]We're all part of that One, which, it would appear, is still evolving -- and we influence that evolution. Totally mind blowing.

 

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)
4. So the reason God doesn't work miracles every day is...
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:10 PM
Jan 2013

given the distances involved between galactic "neurons", it takes God millions of years to form a single thought. So He doesn't prevent disasters because they happen so fast he doesn't have time to react. Anything that occurs quicker than a few billion years just goes by so fast God doesn't even notice it.

NMDemDist2

(49,313 posts)
6. reminds me of the comic's song
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:19 PM
Jan 2013

A man was praying to god.
He said, “God ?”
God responded, “Yes?”
And the Guy said, ” Can I ask a question?”
“Go right ahead”, God said.

“God, what is a million years to you?”
God said, “A million years to me is only a second.”
The man wondered.
Then he asked, “God, what is a million dollars worth to you?”
God said, “A million dollars to me is a penny.”
So the man said, “God can I have a penny ?”
And God cheerfully said,
“Sure!…….just a second .”

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
24. Maybe He is just old and can't think as fast anymore.
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:07 PM
Jan 2013

Maybe that is why He hasn't parted the Red Sea or turned water to wine for a couple of thousand years or more.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
11. This receptor needs more cannabinoids then
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 05:11 PM
Jan 2013

Too much violence here on the synapses known as "earth".

Kennah

(14,276 posts)
46. Theory on Conservation of Intelligence
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 11:31 PM
Jan 2013

There is a finite quantity of intelligence in the universe while the population is expanding.

Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

dorkulon

(5,116 posts)
18. Physicist finds really good weed, leading to super-groovy hypothesis
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 05:49 PM
Jan 2013

Not buying it. Huffpo is not the place for sound science coverage.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
28. Universe Grows Like a Giant Brain
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:20 PM
Jan 2013

The universe may grow like a giant brain, according to a new computer simulation.

The results, published Nov.16 in the journal Nature's Scientific Reports, suggest that some undiscovered, fundamental laws may govern the growth of systems large and small, from the electrical firing between brain cells and growth of social networks to the expansion of galaxies.

http://www.space.com/18630-universe-grows-like-brain.html

dorkulon

(5,116 posts)
30. OK, so notice the differences.
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:35 PM
Jan 2013

This article you posted says it all in the first line: "The universe may grow like a giant brain, according to a new computer simulation."

That's a reasonable report, not overstating the case for the sake of sensationalism. It's a hypothesis, based on a simulation.

Now look at the HuffPo headline: "Physicists Find Evidence That The Universe Is A 'Giant Brain'"

OMG WE'RE ALL NEURONS AND SHIT!!!111

bananas

(27,509 posts)
49. Best part is at the end: "there is some missing understanding of how nature works" Krioukov said
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:19 PM
Jan 2013

The last sentences from your link: http://www.space.com/18630-universe-grows-like-brain.html

The eerie similarity between networks large and small is unlikely to be a coincidence, Krioukov said.

"For a physicist it's an immediate signal that there is some missing understanding of how nature works," Krioukov said.

It's more likely that some unknown law governs the way networks grow and change, from the smallest brain cells to the growth of mega-galaxies, Krioukov said.

"This result suggests that maybe we should start looking for it," Krioukov told LiveScience.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
21. Uh, duh
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 05:55 PM
Jan 2013

I pointed out the similarity of the "map" of galactic superclusters to brain tissue months ago. They're nearly identical, in fact.

Whether or not that "brain" is self aware is rather beside the point. What seems clear is that it's an integrated system of some sort. What also seems clear is that the sheer size and complexity precludes much interference in the lives of a bunch of apelike creatures on a tiny planet around a small star at the edge of a so-so galaxy in a smallish cluster of galaxies.

The larger or smaller we go when we start looking at things, the weirder things get.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
23. That's not evidence... that's making an analogy for a proposed model based on a known system.
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:02 PM
Jan 2013

And that's giving them the benefit of the doubt. We've got a long way to go before we can even see the complete structure of the universe, let alone attribute a functionality to it.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
36. It takes 240,000,000 years for our galaxy to make a full rotation....
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 07:06 PM
Jan 2013

So,...if the Universe IS a giant brain...

It would fail the "Think Fast!" test.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
41. I agree with the premise that the evolution of systems are similar ....
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:41 PM
Jan 2013

The human brain contains structures that grow; that are arranged into networks, on the fly, and are constantly rearranged according to interaction with the natural world .... There seems to be a universal morphology that is in effect for all evolving systems, but this fact doesn't imply that the function of dissimilar systems are the same just because their evolution is similar ...

Neural network evolution is similar to weather system development, but this doesn't mean brains cause precipitation, or clouds can think ... It means nature provides for evolutionary development in a 'natural' manner, no matter what object is involved.

In short: Common morphology does not imply common functionality.

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