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New Horizons spacecraft halfway to Pluto (Original Post) LongTomH Jul 2013 OP
Notice that Pluto is referred to as a PLANET! Wilms Jul 2013 #1
Oh, crap. Let it go. Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #6
Serious question BainsBane Jul 2013 #7
Serious answers: One, nothing that wouldn't happen anyway. Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #8
Eris or Eros? BainsBane Jul 2013 #9
Heh. I'm actually not a Gemini. That's a line from a exceedingly silly old movie. Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #10
I thought it cool that the Wikipedia page on Eris, did mention Discordianism LongTomH Jul 2013 #13
Totally. Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #15
Their flapping tendrils of guilt will seriously disturb the space-time continuum muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #11
Hoo boy! People do take this stuff seriously, don't they? LongTomH Jul 2013 #12
I, for one, am pretty curious to see Ceres up close! Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #14
Which telescope got that pic? sakabatou Jul 2013 #18
Hubble, I think. Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #19
Yup, Hubble sakabatou Jul 2013 #20
you mean wrongly refered to as a planet leftyohiolib Jul 2013 #16
Are we there yet? Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #2
Quiet, Bart. We'll be there in... DreamGypsy Jul 2013 #4
Is this a remake of Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice?? DreamGypsy Jul 2013 #3
So cool. Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #5
Two more years to go. sakabatou Jul 2013 #17

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
6. Oh, crap. Let it go.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 02:53 AM
Jul 2013

If Pluo is a "planet", then so are Ceres, Makemake, Sedna and especially Eris. And whatever the hell else is out there in the Kuiper belt.

Science and scientific categorizations evolve on the basis of better understanding and new data. "Grandfathering in" shit is antithetical to how science works.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
8. Serious answers: One, nothing that wouldn't happen anyway.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 04:03 AM
Jul 2013

Two, any magneto-mystico-mojo "influence" from the body that we call Pluto isn't going to care what label we use to call the thing.

Three, Pluto was discovered in 1930. Astrology has been working - or not - since well before that.

Four, No one is more disappointed than me that we don't have a Planet named Eris.

Five, I don't think you were serious when you said you were serious. But I dig scorpios, man. Not everyone does! But then I'm a Gemini, so I never know what to expect.



Six, you should ask Mr. Scorpio.

BainsBane

(53,038 posts)
9. Eris or Eros?
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 04:20 AM
Jul 2013

Geminis and Scorpios don't tend to be compatible, but there is a possibility I could get along with half of you.

I wonder when they decided Scorpio ruled the planet of Pluto?

My mom is really big into astrology, so a bit of it has seeped in.

Does Mr. Scorpio know about sciencey things?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
10. Heh. I'm actually not a Gemini. That's a line from a exceedingly silly old movie.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 04:53 AM
Jul 2013

And the Planet or Dwarf Planet or Kuiper Belt Object or Trans-Neptunian Object in question is actually named Eris, for the troublesome (or unfairly maligned, as we Erisian devotees of our Fair Lady steadfastly feel) Greek Goddess of discord or chaos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_(dwarf_planet)

leading me to suspect that Mike Brown may be a Robert Anton Wilson fan. But I digress.

And whatever the hell it is, it's bigger than Pluto.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
13. I thought it cool that the Wikipedia page on Eris, did mention Discordianism
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jul 2013

I always thought Eris sounded kind of sexy in an evil sort of way; although she also sounds like someone you wouldn't want to get involved with, sort of the ex-girlfriend-from-Hell.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,337 posts)
11. Their flapping tendrils of guilt will seriously disturb the space-time continuum
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:56 AM
Jul 2013
Arthur Dent, a man whose planet has been blown up, has been having a remarkable effect on the universe. And the most remarkable thing about this is that the only remarkable thing about him as a person is that he is remarkably unremarkable, in all respects other than that of having had his planet blown up. And this, of course, is the nub of the matter, because most of the things which stir the universe up in anyway are cause by dispossessed people.

There are two ways of accounting for this. One is to say that if everyone just sat around at home nothing would ever happen - this is very simple - the other is to say, as Oolon Colluphid has at great length in his book ’Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Guilt, But Were Too Ashamed to Ask’, that every being in the universe is tied to his birthplace by tiny invisible force tendrils composed of little quantum packets of guilt. If you travel far from your birthplace, these tendrils get stretched and distorted. This compares with an ancient Arcturan Proverb “How ever fast the body travels, the soul travels at the speed of an Arcturan Mega-Camel.” This would mean, in these days of hyperspace and Improbability Drive, that most people’s souls are wandering unprotected in deep space in a state of some confusion; and this would account for a lot of things. Similarly, if your birthplace is actually destroyed, or in Arthur Dent’s case demolished - ostensibly to make way for a new hyperspace bypass - then these tendrils are severed and flap about at random. There are no people to be fed or whales to be saved; there is no washing up to be done.

And these flapping tendrils of guilt can seriously disturb the space-time continuum. We have already seen how Arthur inadvertently caused war between the G’Gugvuntts and the Vl’hurgs, we shall shortly see how it is directly attributable to this thoroughly unremarkable Earthman, that the Heart of Gold escaping from the Vogons on Improbability Drive, has now materialized in a highly mysterious cave on the even more mysterious planet Brontitall. ...

http://www.clivebanks.co.uk/THHGTTG/THHGTTGradio10.htm

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
12. Hoo boy! People do take this stuff seriously, don't they?
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:15 PM
Jul 2013

Neil deGrasse Tyson received hate mail, and even death threats, when he campaigned to keep Pluto from being referred to as "the ninth planet." I mean, it's not like this is football, you know!

Pluto has been demoted to the status of dwarf planet, meaning that:

  • it's big enough for its internal gravity to pull it into a spherical shape, and
  • not large enough for its gravity to 'clear out' smaller bodies in its orbit.

To complicate things even more, all of the dwarf planets, except Ceres, are Plutoids, which simply means the major axis of their orbits lies outside the orbit of Uranus.

Ceres and Pluto are the only dwarf planets we're likely to get close looks at in the foreseeable future; there are spacecraft on the way to each body: New Horizons to Pluto and Dawn to Ceres.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
14. I, for one, am pretty curious to see Ceres up close!
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 03:16 PM
Jul 2013

People think "oh, asteroid belt, ho hum".. But it may be far more interesting than just a big ball of rock.







DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
3. Is this a remake of Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice??
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:01 PM
Jul 2013

Last edited Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:49 AM - Edit history (1)

The space payload for New Horizons includes Ralph, Alice, REX, and LORRI. Yes, it's a SWAP, but why is PEPPSI involved - things could get sticky. After all that fooling around, somebody has to cleanup - who better than a student?

The science payload includes seven instruments:

Ralph: Visible and infrared imager/spectrometer; provides color, composition and thermal maps.

Alice: Ultraviolet imaging spectrometer; analyzes composition and structure of Pluto's atmosphere and looks for atmospheres around Charon and Kuiper Belt Objects (KBOs).

REX: (Radio Science EXperiment) Measures atmospheric composition and temperature; passive radiometer.

LORRI: (Long Range Reconnaissance Imager) telescopic camera; obtains encounter data at long distances, maps Pluto's farside and provides high resolution geologic data.

SWAP: (Solar Wind Around Pluto) Solar wind and plasma spectrometer; measures atmospheric "escape rate" and observes Pluto's interaction with solar wind.

PEPSSI: (Pluto Energetic Particle Spectrometer Science Investigation) Energetic particle spectrometer; measures the composition and density of plasma (ions) escaping from Pluto's atmosphere.

SDC: (Student Dust Counter) Built and operated by students; measures the space dust peppering New Horizons during its voyage across the solar system.


Right, the theme of those acronyms is just a coincidence.

Sure, this is the story NASA tells:

Spacecraft instruments are selected to meet a mission's science goals. On New Horizons, for example, NASA set out a list of things it (and the planetary science community) wanted to know about Pluto: What is its atmosphere made of, and how does it behave? What does the surface of Pluto look like? Are there big geological structures? How do particles ejected from the sun (known as the solar wind) interact with Pluto's atmosphere?


...but I think those crazy science folk at NASA are just hoping that the spacecraft they launched that looks like this:



...will send back a lot of photos and data about this:



Thanks for the post, LTH. I don't recall what I was doing on Jan. 19, 2006, but this is the first time I knew that our wonderful people at NASA had a mission to understand the (now ex-) planet of Pluto.
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