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Related: About this forumDoes anyone have a cheat-sheet debunking moonlanding debunkers?
For some reason a young friend of mine has suddenly acquired a bug in her ear
and is driving me crazy about the 'fake' moon landing. I read all that stuff so
long ago I don't remember it now. So I was hoping there might be a quick
'cheat sheet' format debunking the debunkers.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I just did it to myself the other day. It took me a minute to get back from the dark side.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)Those are most of the ones I've ever heard, and some pretty compelling reasons that they're wrong.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)shadows, dust on (or not on) the legs of the lander, claims that landing on the moon would have created
a humongous crater, the flag waving in the 'breeze', that type of thing. And talking about the missing
original videos.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)on the moon because you're dealing with an airless environment that doesn't slow down light, and a ton of reflective surfaces that will throw light from odd directions. The sun, earth, astronaut suits, and the lunar surface itself all throw (reflect) light. It would be like taking pictures in the desert if the desert was made of mirrors, your suit was made of mirrors, and there was a giant mirror in the sky over you. Even then, the "spotlight" effect is also a lot less pronounced in the originals. A lot of that light was put there when they touched the images.
There is a crater, but it's not humongous because gases spread out quickly in a vacuum. So much so that rockets designed to be used in space have to be designed especially to compensate for it. They'd also have been gradually reducing their thrust, down to practically nil when they hit the ground. They were compensating for a lot less weight touching down on the moon than they would landing on earth, so much less thrust would be required to begin with.
The flag was hung off an L shaped projection from the pole, and it wasn't waving, it was swinging slightly because there was less gravity and no air resistance to decrease momentum.
The dust wouldn't act like dust we're used to dealing with because of the different gravity, different air resistance, and different shape of the dust. The lack of gravity makes it kick way up into the air, then the lack of air resistance makes it fall really fast.
They found some of the tapes that were being recorded of it from a different place (Australia). You can watch the hi-def versions here: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/hd/apollo11_hdpage.html Which means the conspiracy apparently spans multiple countries.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)DebJ
(7,699 posts)by Faux News. Who needs to read more?
DebJ
(7,699 posts)these theories, I'll tell her to read them and THEN talk about it.
Cool thing is that the one page made me realize that she could talk to a professional
photographer, as opposed to an astrophysicist, and see what they have to say.
Thanks again!
DebJ
(7,699 posts)Turbineguy
(37,353 posts)to use Fox to assert it really happened.
Journeyman
(15,036 posts)It was a well-crafted stage performance, played out in the same sound studio where the Watergate hearings were produced. Then proceed to lay out how everything that's happened in the world since their birth is nothing but an illusion, conceived and produced for the sole purpose of confusing them and relentlessly driving home how shallow and pathetic their life is, especially when compared to all the amoeba and four legged critters who do indeed enjoy free will and a room-temperature IQ. If they protest, point them to the well-known documentary, The Truman Show, which laid bare the whole sordid scam.
Because really, do these maroons warrant anything more civil than scorn and utter debasement?
DebJ
(7,699 posts)an idle mind is the devil's playground (I think that is how the quote goes).
Intelligent mind lacking some basic education and filled with skepticism
looks for food to fuel it's anger type of thing....
Turbineguy
(37,353 posts)involved in faking the Moon Landing and in over 40 years nobody ever squealed.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)quirky trail with her.
Warpy
(111,283 posts)They painstakingly debunked all of it using large vacuum chambers, the military's low-g training flights, and dust.
She won't budge, of course. Conspiracy nuts are like religious nuts, they just filter the facts to fit their fantasy world.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)mopinko
(70,140 posts)i love the myth busters. they didn't prevent my son from buying into every ct known to human and alien kind. but hey, at least i get to point to them and say- yeah, but the mythbusters
..
this was a particularly good one, from a later season with bigger budgets. even if she doesn't buy it, it is very entertaining. and airtight, imho.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)already referenced, here is a crucial question:
If the first moon landing was faked, the why did we bother to fake the subsequent landings?
Plus, did you ever live through the many tedious hours of the original voyage? You need to look at that, and think about what might have been involved in faking the moon landing, including the several days before and after of the flight. If they were faked, then hundreds, perhaps thousands of NASA employees were involved, and I'm not willing to believe that in all these years not a single one has blown the whistle.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)the ALSEP laser reflectors left by the Apollo Astronauts, for years.
http://spie.org/x38304.xml?ArticleID=x38304
Two) NASA recently orbited a probe called the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter around the moon, in addition to a number of other things, it took some rather high resolution shots of some of the Apollo landing sites.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)She kept saying no one has been able to photograph the sites yet supposedly Hubble takes such detailed far more distant
photos.......I knew there was one somewhere! Thank you!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/lro-briefing-20110906.html
http://www.nasa.gov/content/lunar-reconnaissance-orbiter-looks-at-apollo-12-surveyor-3-landing-sites/#.Uvcl3M6rCW4
Also, AFAIUI, the reason they don't point the Hubble at the Moon is the same reason they don't point it at the Sun, or the Earth-- the optics are designed to gather extremely low levels of light. Sun, Earth and Moon are all WAY too bright for the mission specs. No one wants to blow out a Trillion dollar telescope on something like that.
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DebJ
(7,699 posts)Rochester
(838 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Said that of the thousands of pictures, there wasn't one that showed the stars. He really couldn't come up with an answer for why one would try to take pictures of stars with a fixed focus camera designed for taking pictures of the moon. He kind of understood that exposure suitable for a harshly sunlight object wouldn't capture stars, but we did have to explain to him that there was no permanent "dark side of the moon" and that the missions were planned to occur during the 2 week lunar day.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)I actually work with a moon-landing denier. I honestly thought they they were a myth until I learned this about him. It's INSANE thinking and I immediately discredit EVERYTHING he says after learning this about him. He also thinks that dinosaur bones were put on earth to 'test our faith'.
ZERO CREDIBILITY. None. Zilch. Nada.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)bananas
(27,509 posts)Complete set at: http://stuffucanuse.com/fake_moon_landings/moon_landings.htm
Just way too many things wrong with this picture!
Notice the absence of stars again.
The arrows indicate the various directions in which shadows are falling, again showing evidence of inconsistent scene illumination. Yet there is something even more obviously wrong with this picture.
If the length of the lower support column of the lunar lander was 4 feet tall, this would indicate that the astronaut was over 8 feet tall, which none of the astronauts were.
Another careless mistake from NASA.