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Related: About this forumA Strange Cloud Over St. Louis Turns Out to Be an Enormous Swarm of Butterflies
Late last week, meteorologists in St. Louis noticed a cloud acting peculiarly: It was beating a path toward Mexico while changing into a variety of odd shapes. Was it a radar glitch? The debris signature of a south-moving tornado?
The answer was more hearteningand bizarre. After analyzing the reflections, the National Weather Service concluded they showed an immense swarm of Monarch butterflies migrating to their winter home in the Mexican mountains:
Here's how it technically arrived at that conclusion, for the weather geeks out there:
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http://www.citylab.com/weather/2014/09/a-strange-cloud-over-st-louis-turns-out-to-be-an-enormous-swarm-of-butterflies/380614/
tecelote
(5,122 posts)Five or so years ago we had five to ten times as many Monarchs. This year we rarely saw them. Fewer Tiger Swallowtails as well.
It's surprising that this is a meteorologic event. This has not been seen before on radar?
Tansy_Gold
(17,860 posts)Due to eradication of milkweed, thanks to GMO crops that tolerate more pesticides as well as increased cultivation for fuel-production crops.
I hope this signals an increase.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)But... Monsanto.
Tansy_Gold
(17,860 posts)BP, Shell, a few others.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)It has a lot of great places to visit as a tourist, but the most amazing thing I remember from going there as a kid was the Valley of the Butterflies there.
You walk through a relatively dark green forest, and someone throws a rock at a tree, and suddenly everything around you turns bright orange, as tens of thousands of Monarchs all start flying and light up the place. It really is an amazing sight of all of those beautiful creatures.
You can imagine that if suddenly all of these started flying off of this tree here.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,691 posts)robinlynne
(15,481 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,691 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,691 posts)Ok maybe not just the cartoons.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,518 posts)bananas
(27,509 posts)pleinair
(171 posts)thanks for posting
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Perhaps it isn't enough that Ferguson is connected through television with the SyFy show Defiance being located in St. Louis. Maybe this connection is going to happen too and some spiritual force will put a dome on top of Ferguson until people can settle down and act like decent human beings there.
Botany
(70,516 posts)In 2013 I saw 10 monarchs .... this year I have seen too many to count.
people can make a difference .... plant your milkweeds, other native plants,
and avoid insecticides
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I know there's a milkweed planting movement underway. I transplanted a couple milkies from my friend's place to my place.
I don't use pesticides...and I'm tempted to make a lawn sign saying no pesticides here. Lotta Tru-green poison customers here.
I miss the billions of ladybugs, lightening bugs and alllllllllll the other critters when I lived out in the boondocks.
Botany
(70,516 posts)*************
Don't get me wrong sometimes i have to use chemicals in order to help restore more
"natural like" ecosystems aka get rid of non native invasive plants but insecticides should
only be used on a very limited basis.
Bringing the good bugs back into your yard is really simple ........ your neighbors w/their
lawns and traditional landscapes are limiting their chances to be functioning parts of
a healthy environment ...... but a friend of mine who runs The Prairie Nursery in Wisconsin
told me that not too long ago the old ball had their homes in native plants but now in some
areas it is the odd ball who has a lawn.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I've got an appointment with a natural focused landscaper soon.
A zillion years ago I turned my townhouse into a wildlife preserve, with the help of my boyfriend at that time. Wish I took pics! Moved out to the country after that, ..Sooooo beautiful! Sigh....
Now I'm back in civilization, and would love it if I inspire anyone in the neighborhood.
pleinair
(171 posts)I will look for them
Botany
(70,516 posts)BTW I do have a 4 year degree in Botany/ecology and 30 years experience
pleinair
(171 posts)I love Nature but do not have time to garden very much -- wish I could do more!
mopinko
(70,120 posts)something brought them, something needs them. unless they are interfering with crops, i let them be. grasses, too.
i am rewarded with a steady stream of butterflies all summer. i have seen a fair number of monarchs this year. not swarms, mostly singles, but on many days.
NickB79
(19,253 posts)Our property butts up against a cornfield, and I planted it in with wild plum, chokeberry, hazel, bush cherry, and juneberries. Between them I just let the weeds grow wild. We have a lot of milkweed growing there, and I actively spread the seeds when they ripen. The neighbors on either side mow their grass right up to the cornfield, and weed-whip what the mower can't get. I swear they actually go INTO the cornfield to get the last remaining weeds.
My wife wanted me to do that too, because it looked nice in her opinion.
I've refused, because that's not nice. It's barren, it's dead. I LIKE having wildlife in the yard, even if they occassionally munch on my garden vegetables.
Botany
(70,516 posts)burning bush, flowering pear, purple loosestrife, ivy, thistles, honeysuckle,
vinca minor, privet, phragmites, norway maple, buckthorn, and so on depending
on your part of the country.
putting the pieces back together of our native ecological communities is a long term
and generational effort but it can be very rewarding too.
1 hint: if by making a "wild area" look a little more "kepted up" you can go a long way in
helping the environment. If you don't understand what i mean PM and i'll get back w/you
... right now I'll be out of town for 3 days.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)"turning into butterflies above our nation."-- Woodstock, by Joni Mitchell
If only...
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)I hear they're making them pretty small.
I've got a well-known Monarch meeting place right down the road from me (they dine on eucalyptus), and I've definitely noticed their numbers diminishing.
tavernier
(12,392 posts)hovering over a bush last week. It was as big as a parrot, and in fact I thought it was just that. (We live in the tropics) Turned out it was just a larger kin to many other yellow butterflies, attracted to this particular flowering bush.
Lovely!
Bluestar
(1,400 posts)locks
(2,012 posts)I saw the beautiful swarms of Monarchs both in California and in Mexico. They are one of nature's wonders and I hope our children and grandchildren will see them.
pennylane100
(3,425 posts)I seem to remember when I was down there one time, the place they stop at was closed during their stay, possibly not to disturb them.
I was wrong about closing the place, I just found this:
http://www.pacificgrove.org/things-to-do/top-attractions/monarch-butterflies/3
pleinair
(171 posts)thanks for posting
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)but I rarely see any these days. Our trees and flowers used to be covered with them before they migrated, but their favorite flowers are now only visited by bees or wasps. I looked forward to great photos of them feeding on my plants, but haven't seen that happen in the last five years or so.
Pretty amazing if their conclusion is true.