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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 01:02 AM Jan 2018

Superpowered Chinese Lasers Could Soon Rip Open Raw Vacuum


By Rafi Letzter, Staff Writer | January 29, 2018 05:06pm ET

Physicists are getting close to building lasers powerful enough to rip matter out of a vacuum.

According to a report published Jan. 24 in the journal Science, a team of Chinese scientists is getting ready to start construction this year on a 100-petawatt laser in Shanghai known as the Station of Extreme Light, or SEL. That puts them at the front of a wide field of scientists around the world who are working to realize a prediction published in the journal Physical Review Letters in 2010 by a team of American and French physicists that a sufficiently powerful laser could cause electrons to appear out of a vacuum.

It might seem weird to imagine that electrons could appear out of empty space. But it makes a lot more sense in light of a strange claim of quantum electrodynamics: "Empty" space isn't empty at all, but rather is made up of densely packed pairs of matter and antimatter. Those pairs tightly fill up the gaps between everything, quantum electrodynamics states — they just don't interact in any noticeable way with the rest of the universe, because they cancel one another out. [The 18 Biggest Unsolved Mysteries in Physics]

So it's easier to consider that the Chinese laser won't so much create matter, as cause it to enter the world humans can perceive. Its powerful pulses of energy will cause electrons to separate from their antimatter twins, positrons, in ways researchers can detect.

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Superpowered Chinese Lasers Could Soon Rip Open Raw Vacuum (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jan 2018 OP
Sooner or later C_U_L8R Jan 2018 #1
Either that, or cause a chronosynclastic infundibulum. longship Jan 2018 #3
Muy sentiment exactly.. whathehell Jan 2018 #6
At long last Science is emerging from China Cicada Jan 2018 #2
China is a cold-hearted evil nation. C Moon Jan 2018 #4
If it cures cancer I dont care if our warm-hearted evil nation comes in second Cicada Jan 2018 #7
In case you ever wondered where neutron stars come from... Binkie The Clown Jan 2018 #5
"...is made up of densely packed pairs of matter and antimatter." JayhawkSD Jan 2018 #8
Update. Duppers Jan 2018 #9
It's not comparable to the Big Bang: DetlefK Feb 2018 #11
Scientifically incorrect. DetlefK Feb 2018 #10

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. Either that, or cause a chronosynclastic infundibulum.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 03:32 AM
Jan 2018

The question is: Do we actually want that?


Cicada

(4,533 posts)
2. At long last Science is emerging from China
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 02:41 AM
Jan 2018

Previously they didn’t have many world class scientists but now they are funding them. I guess they will basically cause Science world wide to double. What happens if they learn how to block all our methods of nuking them before we learn that trick?

Lasers to zap icbms, cruise missiles and nuke bombers? Will that put the world at risk or make it safer? May you live in interesting times?

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
7. If it cures cancer I dont care if our warm-hearted evil nation comes in second
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 10:44 AM
Jan 2018

We caused the death of maybe a million Iraqis. Does it really make much difference that we are warm hearted? Has China invaded dozens of countries as we have? They suck but maybe we suck too.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
5. In case you ever wondered where neutron stars come from...
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 03:39 AM
Jan 2018

Possibly the result of other civilizations doing this experiment and going poof.

Fermi's paradox solved.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
8. "...is made up of densely packed pairs of matter and antimatter."
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 10:45 AM
Jan 2018

What happened to the theory that if matter and antimatter ever came together it would mutually annihilate in a massive explosion. As I recall one theory was that the "big bang" was just such an explosion.

Duppers

(28,123 posts)
9. Update.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 06:38 AM
Jan 2018

Last edited Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:41 PM - Edit history (1)

This is disconcerting to me. To better understand, I need to consult one of resident physicists about this article. I'll post info when I'm better informed.

Edited to add UPDATE: He said it would be localized, much like the experiments in CERN. Nothing to be concerned about.





DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
11. It's not comparable to the Big Bang:
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 08:24 AM
Feb 2018

- The energy is astronomically small compared to the Big Bang. When we approach energies where the forces of nature start merging, THAT is when we approach the Big Bang. Slowly.

- The Big Bang was also the creation of time and space. Nothing like that is happening here.

- IIRC if you mix 1 microgramm of matter with 1 microgramm of anti-matter, you get an explosion similar to a nuclear bomb.
1. That's still way, way, way, way, way, way weaker than the Big Bang.
2. In all of the history of research added up we have not produced that much anti-matter.
3. The experiment is happening in a vacuum anyways, so there will be no explosion, just a flash of light.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
10. Scientifically incorrect.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 08:17 AM
Feb 2018

There are virtual particles in vacuum. The particles of matter and anti-matter are virtual, so they only exist within the limits of the uncertainty-principle: The pair pops out of nothing and after fractions of femtoseconds they again disappear into nothing.

The laser will simply provide enough energy for this pair to materialize as real particles. With the energy of the laser, the vaccum is no longer empty but filled with photons.

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