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Radar has found something big under the surface
By Loren Grush@lorengrush Jul 25, 2018, 10:00am EDT
Mars hosts a huge underground aquifer of liquid water, according to a group of scientists who say they have found convincing evidence. The underground lake hasnt been seen directly, but if its real, its a discovery that substantially increases the likelihood that the Red Planet might host life.
Researchers detected the possible reservoir with the Mars Express Orbiter, a European spacecraft thats been orbiting Mars since 2003. While scanning the ice cap at Mars south pole, the probes radar instrument, called MARSIS, detected a feature about a mile underneath the surface that was about 12.4 miles wide. The structure has a radar signature that matches that of buried liquid water here on Earth, leading the team to conclude that theres a lake under the glacier. The researchers say theyve ruled out all other possibilities for what theyre seeing.
For decades now, planetary scientists have tried to find liquid water on Mars; most agree that it likely exists in certain regions. This finding, detailed today in Science, is the first indication that water may exist in pools underneath the Martian surface. That has big implications for the search for alien life on our planetary neighbor: bacteria have been found here on Earth in water under glaciers in Antarctica and Greenland. Pretty much anywhere there is liquid water on Earth, you find something thats managed to survive in it, Tanya Harrison, a planetary scientist and director of research for Arizona State Universitys Space Technology and Science Initiative who was not involved with this discovery, tells The Verge. An underground reservoir may be the perfect place for Mars microbes to survive as well.
Ive run out of ideas on how to explain this in a way that isnt water, Roberto Orosei, a researcher at Italys National Institute for Astrophysics and lead of the team that found the formation, tells The Verge. Weve tried to exhaust every possible alternative, and we think weve done it.
More:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/25/17606966/mars-liquid-water-reservoir-underground-habitable-life-radar
Many images of Mars South Pole as seen from Mars Express:
https://tinyurl.com/ya223yq7
Judi Lynn
(160,449 posts)OBBIE GONZALEZ
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07.25.1810:00 AM
FOR DECADES MARS has teased scientists with whispers of water's presence. Valleys and basins and rivers long dry point to the planet's hydrous past. The accumulation of condensation on surface landers and the detection of vast subterranean ice deposits suggest the stuff still lingers in gaseous and solid states. But liquid water has proved more elusive. Evidence to date suggests it flows seasonally, descending steep slopes in transient trickles every Martian summer. The search for a big, enduring reservoir of wet, potentially life-giving H2O has turned up nothing. Until now.
The Italian Space Agency announced Wednesday that researchers have detected signs of a large, stable body of liquid water locked away beneath a mile of ice near Mars' south pole. The observations were recorded by the Mars Advanced Radar for Subsurface and Ionosphere Sounding instrumentMarsis for short. "Marsis was born to make this kind of discovery, and now it has," says Roberto Orosei, a radioastronomer at the National Institute for Astrophysics, who led the investigation. His team's findings, which appear in this week's issue of Science, raise tantalizing questions about the planet's geologyand its potential for harboring life.
Marsis collected its evidence from orbit, flying aboard the European Space Agency's Mars Express spacecraft. It works by transmitting pulses of low-frequency electromagnetic waves toward the red planet. Some of those waves interact with features at and below the Martian surface and reflect back toward the instrument, carrying clues about the planet's geological composition. Conceptually, using the instrument to study Mars' polar regions couldn't be more straightforward: Just point it toward the ice and see what bounces back.
In practice, though, it's a lot more complicated. Marsis spends relatively little time above Planum Australe, the southern polar plane of Mars and the focus of Orosei's team's investigation. That meant the researchers could only listen for echoes periodically. It would take many readingsand many yearsto get a clear picture of what lies hidden beneath the planet's southern ice cap. So in May of 2012, on the heels of a software upgrade that enabled Marsis to acquire more detailed data, the researchers began their survey.
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https://www.wired.com/story/large-body-of-liquid-water-on-mars/
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Judi Lynn
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https://images.axios.com/iky2lGbPlqsYparL0LrxjKXBtlo=/0x0:1920x1080/1920x1080/2018/07/25/1532526668130.jpg
Artistic impression of the Mars Express spacecraft probing the southern hemisphere of Mars, along with the radar cross section of the deposits in that region. Credit: ESA, INAF, David Coero Borga
A body of liquid water stretching at least 20 kilometers, or 24 miles, across may exist under the icy surface of Mars' southern pole, according to new research published Wednesday in the journal Science.
Why it matters: The findings could put to rest the long-running question of whether liquid water still exists on the red planet, or if it all disappeared long ago. This question has major ramifications for the planet's habitability. For more than 30 years, the presence of water has been one of Mars' deepest mysteries, since it is a key building block for life.
Past studies concluded that while there are still small amounts of gaseous liquid, water ice and other liquid forms on Mars, water doesn't stick around for a long time on the planet.
Now, Roberto Orosei of the Institute of Radioastronomy of Bologna, along with nearly a dozen other researchers, found evidence there is a stable body of water underneath Mars' southern ice cap.
More:
https://www.axios.com/liquid-lake-found-on-mars-012b4a8f-15df-4a05-8687-3ba176570518.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100
SCantiGOP
(13,862 posts)Seems like a good way to improve things.
sandensea
(21,595 posts)About time we had some law and order around here, as my very right-wing grandfather used to say.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)When I was an undergrad in geology, back in the 80s, I wrote a paper explaining how there could indeed be water on Mars. The TA who taught the course ridiculed me in front of the entire class, wrote a scathing critique of my "opinion" (despite the six pages of footnotes) and threatened to give me an "F" for the paper.
I went to his major professor (who was also co-chair of the Geology Department), showed him the paper and explained what the TA had done to me. He read my paper, and thought it was "inspired" (his words) for its forward thinking. The next class he taught with that TA, he chose to lecture on the possibility of water on Mars, wherein he read my paper out loud, keeping his gaze on that TA.
The TA sat there squirming as he recognized it as my paper. The PhD ended the class with the following quote from Einstein:
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."
As the class was filing out, he called the TA over and told him that he thought he should re-read my paper, this time with an open mind.
And now, all the world's scientists (geologists included) are considering water on Mars.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)That life might exist on mars.
Life found to have arisen off of our planet, in any size or scope, would be an utterly gigantic discovery.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)LakeSuperiorView
(1,533 posts)If needed, they will search back and find a "correction" in old translations/transcriptions that will continue the grift stream. Herding human sheep has be lucrative for as long as there has been language to do it.