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Related: About this forumOur Animal Natures
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/opinion/sunday/our-animal-natures.html?ref=opinionAS an attending physician at U.C.L.A., I see a wide variety of maladies. But I also consult occasionally at the Los Angeles Zoo, where the veterinarians rounds are strikingly similar to those I conduct with my physician colleagues. Intrigued by the overlap, I began making careful notes of the conditions I came across by day in my human patients. At night, I combed veterinary databases and journals for their correlates, asking myself a simple question: Do animals get [fill in the disease]? I started with the big killers. Do animals get breast cancer? Stress-induced heart attacks? Brain tumors? How about shingles and gout? Fainting spells? Night after night, condition after condition, the answer kept coming back yes. My research yielded a series of fascinating commonalities.
Melanoma has been diagnosed in the bodies of animals from penguins to buffalo. Koalas in Australia are in the middle of a rampant epidemic of chlamydia. Yes, that kind sexually transmitted. I wondered about obesity and diabetes two of the most pressing health concerns of our time. Do wild animals get medically obese? Do they overeat or binge eat? I learned that yes, they do.
I also discovered that geese, gorillas and sea lions grieve and may become depressed. Shelties, Weimaraners and other dog breeds are prone to anxiety disorders.
Suddenly, I began to reconsider my approach to mental illness, a field I had studied during the psychiatric residency I completed before turning to cardiology. Perhaps a human patient compulsively burning himself with cigarettes could improve if his therapist consulted a bird specialist experienced in the treatment of parrots with feather-picking disorder. Significantly for substance abusers and addicts, species from birds to elephants are known to seek out psychotropic berries and plants that change their sensory states that is, get them high. The more I learned, the more a tantalizing question started creeping into my thoughts: Why dont we human doctors routinely cooperate with animal experts?
pinto
(106,886 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)We are all animals anyway.
I remember when my kids were little, my daughter (Ellie May Klampett with the critters) had brought home a pregnant stray kitty. As she delivered her kittens some time later she needed assistance so daughter and I did the mid-wife thing. Aside from a terrified cat who didn't know what was happening to her~~and the chaos that ensued from that~I was absolutely struck by the smell once those babies started arriving.
I knew that smell. Ugh! It was the very same as when I had my own human babies.
We have a lot more in common with animals than many would like to believe.
Glad to see some doctors recognizing it and learning from it! We can all learn from animals, just like Dr Doolittle always said.
Julie
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)We're exceptional because we're human. We can't learn anything about ourselves from mere animals.
GAAH!
dangin
(148 posts)Very interesting connections. One thing few people think about and need to remember about our species. Even if we have been the smart, problem solving apes that we are for the past 150,000 years. That still leaves millions and millions of years of our evolution through more primitive animal states. All those animal parts are still with us. Evolution does not erase and rewrite. It builds upon.
Imagine a yardstick. If the last half inch is modern human, the other 35.5 is our collective, seething animal past.
Many of our behaviors make more sense when considered in this light, and of course, our connections to our animal siblings.
pinto
(106,886 posts)pscot
(21,024 posts)when see from that perspective. There's no other way to explain our politics. Take a look at this video:
Nay
(12,051 posts)it seems like a no-brainer to me. Are humans so self-important, even doctors who should know better, that we think we have nothing to learn from animal bodies and minds? Unbelievable. But then, I've always been a real animal fan, and I love being out in nature.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)She was obviously depressed.
All mammals have the same core emotional structures (the Limbic System is often called "the early mammal brain" , and so despite differences in intelligence between different species, it makes sense that all mammals have similar emotional responses. Birds' brain structures are very different from those of mammals, but they too have complex emotions. Corvids (crows, ravens, and jays) in particular seem to have a very rich emotional inner life.
The notion that non-human animals are mere automatons needs to go.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)xchrom
(108,903 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)agent46
(1,262 posts)Humanity is supposedly a unique crowning creation seperate from the animal "kingdom". We are here to use conquer and exploit. All identity and commonality with the other animal species is denied. It will be our fall.
agent46
(1,262 posts)I witnessed horrible cruelty and abuse of animals when I lived and traveled in Asia for seven years. Maybe there's just something wrong with humanity.
Coyote_Bandit
(6,783 posts)is generally a better medical practicioner than a medical doctor in my opinion.
Vets treat all ages, genders and body systems of multiple species of animals and, depending on where they practice, may have very limited access to refer patients to specialists. Their patients can't respond to questions or describe their complaints. The vets have to actually figure out what is wrong with their patients and treat it. And their ability to do diagnostic testing is usually quite limited when compared to that done by medical doctors.