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elleng

(131,077 posts)
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:34 PM Mar 2021

The Second COVID-19 Shot Is a Rude Reawakening for Immune Cells.

Side effects are just a sign that protection is kicking in as it should.

'At about 2 a.m. on Thursday morning, I woke to find my husband shivering beside me. For hours, he had been tossing in bed, exhausted but unable to sleep, nursing chills, a fever, and an agonizingly sore left arm. His teeth chattered. His forehead was freckled with sweat. And as I lay next to him, cinching blanket after blanket around his arms, I felt an immense sense of relief. All this misery was a sign that the immune cells in his body had been riled up by the second shot of a COVID-19 vaccine, and were well on their way to guarding him from future disease.

Side effects are a natural part of the vaccination process, as my colleague Sarah Zhang has written. Not everyone will experience them. But the two COVID-19 vaccines cleared for emergency use in the United States, made by Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, already have reputations for raising the hackles of the immune system: In both companies’ clinical trials, at least a third of the volunteers ended up with symptoms such as headaches and fatigue; fevers like my husband’s were less common.

Dose No. 2 is more likely to pack a punch—in large part because the effects of the second shot build iteratively on the first. My husband, who’s a neurologist at Yale New Haven Hospital, is one of many who had a worse experience with his second shot than his first.

But much like any other learning process, in this one repetition is key. When hit with the second injection, the immune system recognizes the onslaught, and starts to take it even more seriously. The body’s encore act, uncomfortable though it might be, is evidence that the immune system is solidifying its defenses against the virus.

“By the second vaccine, it’s already amped up and ready to go,” Jasmine Marcelin, an infectious-disease physician at the University of Nebraska Medical Center, told me. Fortunately, side effects resolve quickly, whereas COVID-19 can bring on debilitating, months-long symptoms and has killed more than 2 million people.'>>>

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/02/second-vaccine-side-effects/617892/?

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The Second COVID-19 Shot Is a Rude Reawakening for Immune Cells. (Original Post) elleng Mar 2021 OP
This is good to know leftieNanner Mar 2021 #1
Ditto, waiting for April 3. elleng Mar 2021 #3
Same thing here The Wizard Mar 2021 #2
When my second... mbusby Mar 2021 #4
Try water, 'aspirin,' and blankets. elleng Mar 2021 #5
I read DON'T take aspirin with these vaccines. !! Captain Zero Mar 2021 #9
Thanks, by using parentheses, I intended to suggest 'recommended.' elleng Mar 2021 #11
I asked about aspirin when I got my 2nd shot and was told it was OK, but Arkansas Granny Mar 2021 #14
Wellllllllllllllll?? leftieNanner Mar 2021 #7
yep, a couple glass of wine, then taking to bed... bahboo Mar 2021 #23
Hubster had his second Moderna yesterday. luvs2sing Mar 2021 #6
So if someone doesn't have any reaction, PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2021 #8
I just Rebl2 Mar 2021 #10
I felt and sounded like a cat in a sack being beaten with a pipe Xipe Totec Mar 2021 #12
I had no side effects from the first shot other than a sore shoulder the next day. The 2nd Arkansas Granny Mar 2021 #13
Thanks. I had prepared myself mentally for the second shot but it looks like I'll need dhol82 Mar 2021 #15
I'm kind of preparing by reading about everyone's experience. elleng Mar 2021 #18
Wow, that's surprising. dhol82 Mar 2021 #24
Not planning anything after my 2d Moderna, elleng Mar 2021 #25
Good choice. dhol82 Mar 2021 #40
I had the J&J this past Wednesday afternoon. MontanaMama Mar 2021 #26
I'm sure you will be fine. dhol82 Mar 2021 #41
Anyone know the latest on how these shots lordsummerisle Mar 2021 #16
I wonder onlyadream Mar 2021 #17
Not based on my personal experience. I felt "sicker" (but only for a day or so) Tanuki Mar 2021 #21
One and only shot today -J&J- at a NASCAR track. 30 minutes + the 15 min. wait underpants Mar 2021 #19
I'm curious if you feel anything tomorrow. MontanaMama Mar 2021 #28
I should not have read that. underpants Mar 2021 #34
Sorry! It'll be okay. MontanaMama Mar 2021 #36
Played golf today. Feel pretty good. underpants Mar 2021 #39
I'm so glad. MontanaMama Mar 2021 #43
I'm getting my second moderna shot on the 27th left-of-center2012 Mar 2021 #20
If you do, just remind yourself that it is not dangerous and will soon pass. Tanuki Mar 2021 #22
Lots and lots of people don't have severe reactions TimeToGo Mar 2021 #27
Same Reaction 4Q2u2 Mar 2021 #29
We received our second Moderna Friday afternoon,,,, KarenS Mar 2021 #30
Hydration Dawgman49 Mar 2021 #31
Thanks. Makes sense. tavernier Mar 2021 #45
KNR Lucinda Mar 2021 #32
We both get our first Pfizer shot this Wed. Bayard Mar 2021 #33
There's always takeout. dhol82 Mar 2021 #42
Another reason for a more exteme response to the vaccine Rural_Progressive Mar 2021 #35
Correct me if I'm wrong, but... Random Boomer Mar 2021 #37
That's my understanding of it Rural_Progressive Mar 2021 #38
My second Moderna proved less troublesome than the first. NNadir Mar 2021 #44

leftieNanner

(15,144 posts)
1. This is good to know
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:38 PM
Mar 2021

We had our first Moderna last week, and the second shot coming up in April. I plan to have some easy food in the fridge in case we are hit hard.

Thanks for posting this.

bahboo

(16,353 posts)
23. yep, a couple glass of wine, then taking to bed...
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 10:37 PM
Mar 2021

whether I feel like shit or not. Figure it might be nice to just laze around for a bit....

luvs2sing

(2,220 posts)
6. Hubster had his second Moderna yesterday.
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:45 PM
Mar 2021

His arm was mildly sore last night. Today, he has no symptoms at all and, because he worries, and because he is married to a woman with a history of crazy reactions to medications and vaccinations, he’s now worried the dose didn’t take. I read this article to him, but he still isn’t convinced.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,894 posts)
8. So if someone doesn't have any reaction,
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:45 PM
Mar 2021

does it mean the immune system isn't ramping up?

I haven't had either shot, so I have no personal experience to relate.

Rebl2

(13,544 posts)
10. I just
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:53 PM
Mar 2021

think every body is different and reacts differently. I don’t think it necessarily means your body isn’t reacting to it or ramping up a defense.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
12. I felt and sounded like a cat in a sack being beaten with a pipe
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:56 PM
Mar 2021

Chills, leg cramps, and pain near major joints; hips, elbows, shoulders. It felt like bruising.

It didn't start right away, but days after the second shot and lingered for a few days.

It's over now, and well worth it.

Arkansas Granny

(31,525 posts)
13. I had no side effects from the first shot other than a sore shoulder the next day. The 2nd
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 09:58 PM
Mar 2021

had me feeling really tired for a couple of days and a couple nights of pulling the covers up and then kicking them off again. 48 hours after the 2nd shot, the side effects were over.

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
15. Thanks. I had prepared myself mentally for the second shot but it looks like I'll need
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 10:07 PM
Mar 2021

more succor.
Damn.
Had a bad time with my second shingles shot. Hope this doesn’t supersede it.

elleng

(131,077 posts)
18. I'm kind of preparing by reading about everyone's experience.
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 10:15 PM
Mar 2021

I had NO reaction to either shingles shot.

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
24. Wow, that's surprising.
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 10:50 PM
Mar 2021

Had a small reaction to the first one and then got laid flat for two days with the second.

I have cleared my calendar for the weekend after my second Covid shot on the 25th.
I am such a fragile flower.

elleng

(131,077 posts)
25. Not planning anything after my 2d Moderna,
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 11:09 PM
Mar 2021

but I rarely plan much. A friend will likely stay with me, after, and I'm NOT a fragile flower!

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
26. I had the J&J this past Wednesday afternoon.
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 12:00 AM
Mar 2021

I had chills the evening of the shot and some body aches throughout that first night. I woke up feeling great the next morning but went down right at the 24 hour mark with fatigue, chills and a fever...not horrible but I definitely didn’t feel well. I slept 10 hours straight and hit the ground running Friday. I’ve felt great since.

I haven’t had a shingles shot....I guess that’s next!

onlyadream

(2,167 posts)
17. I wonder
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 10:13 PM
Mar 2021

If the people who experience bad side effects of the second dose would have had a bad case of COVID. And, conversely, if the ones who had no vaccine side effects would have had a mild case of COVID.

Tanuki

(14,920 posts)
21. Not based on my personal experience. I felt "sicker" (but only for a day or so)
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 10:29 PM
Mar 2021

after my second Pfizer vax than at any point when I had covid. Higher fever, which eventually "broke" abruptly leaving me drenched in sweat, teeth-chattering chills, hands so cold during the chills that I had to warm them up with a heating pad. All of these were much more intense than during actual covid. Threw up once after the second vax, never during covid. Coughed a lot during covid, never post-vax. Despite the discomfort post-vax, I didn't really mind so much because I knew that is was a possibility, was not in any way dangerous, and simply indicated a robust immune reaction, which is something I wanted.

underpants

(182,868 posts)
19. One and only shot today -J&J- at a NASCAR track. 30 minutes + the 15 min. wait
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 10:28 PM
Mar 2021

No side effects so far other than a little pain from getting a shot.

Incredible operation. Lots of volunteers and National Guard.

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
28. I'm curious if you feel anything tomorrow.
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 12:02 AM
Mar 2021

I had the J&J last Wednesday afternoon and right at the 24 hour mark, I had chills, body aches and fatigue. After a good night’s sleep I woke up like any other day and felt great. Keep us posted!

underpants

(182,868 posts)
34. I should not have read that.
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 08:45 AM
Mar 2021

I’m a hypochondriac. I got it yesterday right about this time - 9am. Nothing so far. I’m supposed to play golf this afternoon. Yesterday was rearranging the garage so I stayed very active.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
20. I'm getting my second moderna shot on the 27th
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 10:28 PM
Mar 2021

I'm elderly with multiple medical problems, and I fear I'll have an adverse reaction.
Guess I just have to ride it out.

Tanuki

(14,920 posts)
22. If you do, just remind yourself that it is not dangerous and will soon pass.
Sat Mar 13, 2021, 10:32 PM
Mar 2021

(Speaking from experience.)

You will be fine!

TimeToGo

(1,366 posts)
27. Lots and lots of people don't have severe reactions
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 12:00 AM
Mar 2021

Don’t scare people unnecessarily— be smart, but not afraid.

 

4Q2u2

(1,406 posts)
29. Same Reaction
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 12:08 AM
Mar 2021

My second shot tore me up just like that for 30 hrs.
Worst shot in my life and the Navy shot me up with
Plague, Typhoid, Anthrax, Hep's and many more.

KarenS

(4,085 posts)
30. We received our second Moderna Friday afternoon,,,,
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 12:16 AM
Mar 2021

I was good until late this morning,,,, then chills, fever, exhaustion,,,, lasted about 8 hours,,,,, we'll see how tomorrow goes,,,,,
to anyone getting the second vaccine,,, just have some 'easy' food around and don't make any plans be lazy,,,, and hydrate!

Dawgman49

(226 posts)
31. Hydration
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 12:36 AM
Mar 2021

I’ve been hearing from many anecdotal medical people the importance of being well hydrated prior to the second moderna shot

tavernier

(12,396 posts)
45. Thanks. Makes sense.
Mon Mar 15, 2021, 03:07 PM
Mar 2021

Dehydration always feels lousy, even without a vaccine. I’ve had enough wine headaches the next morning to remember that.

Bayard

(22,128 posts)
33. We both get our first Pfizer shot this Wed.
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 01:11 AM
Mar 2021

Talked to a friend of mine who had gotten his second one, that was really bad. No problem with the first.

Wondering if its a bad idea for us to get them at the same time.... Who's going to take care of who?

Rural_Progressive

(1,107 posts)
35. Another reason for a more exteme response to the vaccine
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 12:17 PM
Mar 2021

is you have already been exposed to the SARS-COV-2 virus and either didn't develop CoViD-19 at all or were asymptomatic.

Random Boomer

(4,168 posts)
37. Correct me if I'm wrong, but...
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 01:23 PM
Mar 2021

I'm assuming that if someone has already had COVID-19 (even without realizing it), their body is already primed to repel the virus the next time around. So the vaccine tricks the body into mounting a strong defense right away.

Rural_Progressive

(1,107 posts)
38. That's my understanding of it
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 01:56 PM
Mar 2021

using the one quarter I took of immunology and virology back in the late 80s.

Guess that's a better background than being a YouTube virologist or immunologist.

One of my relatives is heading up the vaccine distribution in a fairly good sized city. He's heard of people really getting the snot kicked out of them with the first dose. The professionals he's working with think that prior exposure is the probable cause of that response.

NNadir

(33,541 posts)
44. My second Moderna proved less troublesome than the first.
Mon Mar 15, 2021, 09:30 AM
Mar 2021

I had some headache and fatigue but was otherwise OK.

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