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Researchers Alessandro Coppo and colleagues have explored this idea, proposing that time might emerge from the quantum interactions at a fundamental level.

Their findings, published in Physical Review A, suggest that our experience of time could be a byproduct of quantum processes rather than a fundamental aspect of reality. This theory, while still in its early stages, opens up new avenues for understanding the nature of time and its role in the universe.

"For centuries, time has entered physics as an essential ingredient that is not to be questioned. It is so deeply rooted in our conception of reality that people thought that a definition of time was not needed," says Coppo. “We believe that nature is genuinely quantum,” he adds.

The implications of this theory are profound, as it suggests that time, as we perceive it, might not be a universal constant but rather a construct emerging from deeper quantum interactions.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/scientists-discover-that-time-is-just-an-illusion/ar-BB1nXCmW

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#### Arne

(2,998 posts)The whole kit and kabootel is an illusion.

#### John1956PA

(3,062 posts)"Why does anything exist?" Brilliant physicists and philosophers have written treatises and books trying to answer that question. Years ago, when the topic came up on DU, one DUer wrote that to consider a scenario of nothing existent (i.e., no mass, no energy, and no space for them to occupy) is troubling enough. However, trying to imagine a scenario wherein there is no history boggles the mind even more so.

#### sanatanadharma

(3,902 posts)Now can science explain/ describe a world without 'consciousness'?

I'll wait. I have time.

A question directed to all, not directed to poster

#### rambler_american

(806 posts)Biocentrism by Robert Lanza.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=biocentrism&crid=IKENT79A5Z0C&sprefix=biocentrism%2Caps%2C122&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

#### Arne

(2,998 posts)and the American was the first.

#### reACTIONary

(5,874 posts)#### BComplex

(8,845 posts)Pretty zenny if you ask me.

#### c-rational

(2,748 posts)Going to have to rethink.

#### Maraya1969

(22,843 posts)And then I read that that is how Tarot cards work. The layout of the cards comes from you and you already know what is going to happen in the "future" .

It gets really complicated. .

#### KPN

(15,868 posts)#### Turbineguy

(37,922 posts)#### TlalocW

(15,473 posts)You're a hoopy frood who really knows where his towel is.

#### muriel_volestrangler

(101,909 posts)#### Think. Again.

(13,100 posts)...now that we have just discovered it, we've known it along!

#### BootinUp

(48,165 posts)#### WheelWalker

(9,054 posts)We might conclude that the universe is a stranger place than we have sometimes been led to suspect and that the amount and type of strangeness each of us can tolerate depends, to some extent, on prior commitments. But the universe is what it is anyway.

#### alterfurz

(2,511 posts)...it is stranger than you can think". -- Harlow Shapley

#### WheelWalker

(9,054 posts)as to think what nobody has yet thought concerning that which everybody sees."

― Arthur Schopenhauer

#### paleotn

(18,547 posts)But a good angle for woo peddlers. They're already into quantum this and quantum that without having a quantum of knowledge of what quantum actually means.

#### brush

(55,659 posts)Wonder how much time it took for the guy to come up with it, and how much grant money was drained off in imagining it?

#### stopdiggin

(12,042 posts)from the point of view of human experience ... Almost ** completely** irrelevant.

We still have children - and children (at least it is desperately hoped) grow from tadpoles with tails, over time, into beings that approximate adults. And there is little 'rational' about trying to make that grand arc - all a matter of 'perception' - or equivalency. Tadpoles are not adult beings - not matter how much we natter on - and insist on posing 'deeper' questions.

And now we can all go play in the street ...

#### MerryBlooms

(11,842 posts)#### Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,898 posts)such concepts, but the fact that gravity doesn't exist according to Quantum Theory makes no difference in whether jumping off a high cliff is a good idea.

(Apparently it's the curvature of the universe that causes what we think of as gravity, I think is the simple explanation.)

#### 2naSalit

(89,489 posts)#### jaxexpat

(7,261 posts)#### Qutzupalotl

(14,711 posts)#### grumpyduck

(6,376 posts)that "time" is something we made up back when we first started agriculture. First came the seasons, and then they were subdivided into months and so forth. Then they invented various types of clocks.

So a lightyear is just our perception of distance based on our perception of time.

Simplistic, I know.

#### LisaM

(28,094 posts)Trains had to run on a timetable. That's when the concept of time zones was invented. They are also kind of random - Michigan is in the eastern time zone, so it's always light there later in the day. But they get the same amount of actual light as the easternmost states in the same time zone.

#### Igel

(35,826 posts)If you're a hunter-gatherer, seasons matter.

Past v present also matters, even if your religion allows the past to poke into the present (or the future to poke into the present).

#### ananda

(29,438 posts)That idea comes out of quantum physics also,

and it makes a lot of sense to me.

#### Ilsa

(61,904 posts)this news more complicated. Anyway, I feel no more enlightened.

#### SleeplessinSoCal

(9,434 posts)... didn't happen in the Late Cretaceous period?

#### BootinUp

(48,165 posts)#### rubbersole

(7,508 posts)When something digs up the evidence of human civilization a few million years from now - I hope the first thing they find are some perfectly preserved lemon bars from the missus' kitchen. They'll think we were a very advanced life form.😋

#### MiHale

(10,291 posts)We view time as we do for our convenience.

#### Botany

(71,287 posts).... now on an infinite plane of dark matter that we can't see. Our universe is an ever expanding home of matter and energy in which our nano second of a lifetime exists.

And in that universe the Cleveland Browns will never win a super bowl.

#### lark

(23,624 posts)#### MorbidButterflyTat

(2,295 posts)I feel both of your pain.

#### MerryBlooms

(11,842 posts)#### MorbidButterflyTat

(2,295 posts)We got the best QB in the league, there's always hope! And, an emotional roller coaster.

#BillsMafia

#GoBills

#### Evolve Dammit

(17,544 posts)#### Hermit-The-Prog

(35,453 posts)Are we doomed to forever dive, wrinkled, into the center of the spool, only to emerge from the outside of the spool and wobble over the rollers and heads again?

[ Edit: Ooops! I appear to have played the tape backwards. We are doomed. Sorry universe. ]

#### KPN

(15,868 posts)#### ret5hd

(20,920 posts)beg to differ.

#### harumph

(2,049 posts)If time is an illusion, so is entropy.

Maybe our perception of time is an illusion - but the underlying changes that produce that illusion are IMO, very real.

#### BootinUp

(48,165 posts)or that time is more a function of something else, not that it is completely disconnected.

#### scipan

(2,510 posts)#### Traurigkeit

(1,290 posts)CHAOS or ORDER

#### gay texan

(2,676 posts)Hee hee hee

#### Mr. Evil

(2,929 posts)I'll know my time is nearly up.

#### Goonch

(3,733 posts)#### Blue Owl

(52,671 posts)#### dchill

(39,302 posts)Running late - gotta go!

#### FreeState

(10,642 posts)But this article is like Dr Oz and science. It’s click bait and uses easily misunderstood terms (e.g. it’s not a scientific theory, it’s a hypothesis and if you read common science groups etc they are not even talking about this because there is a lot of work yet to do to try and dispute hypothesis.)

This hypothesis faces significant challenges, particularly in how to empirically test these concepts. Despite its implications it remains in its early stages of development.

#### rambler_american

(806 posts)The Universe Is Not Only Queerer Than We Suppose, But Queerer Than We Can Suppose

~ J. B. S. Haldane

#### Jim__

(14,235 posts)#### ashredux

(2,645 posts)#### infullview

(1,001 posts)So that’s just a quantum interaction?

#### LymphocyteLover

(6,054 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 23, 2024, 02:47 PM - Edit history (1)

particles and the energy fields that produce them

#### LudwigPastorius

(9,949 posts)#### Arne

(2,998 posts)and Time is Gravity.

It was actually convincing.

#### Metaphorical

(1,885 posts)Einstein proved the notion that time (specifically duration) is dependent upon one's frame of reference, and that an accelerating frame of reference was indistinguishable from gravity. From the perspective of a photon going AT the speed of light, there is no time - everything that happens has happened and will happen. The big wildcard is entropy.

#### Arne

(2,998 posts)#### scipan

(2,510 posts)#### Metaphorical

(1,885 posts)Entanglement may very well be tied to the fact that many processes, such as electrons moving through quantum orbital states, emit or absorb light as part of the process (this is how laser's work). If light effectively is timeless, this may very well explain quantum entanglement if the same electron became bound to another atom (or similar quantum well) at a different point in its trajectory. My college quantum physics classes were a LOOONG time ago, but it's an intriguing notion nonetheless.

#### lapfog_1

(29,634 posts)is to throw yourself at the ground... and miss.

Thus proving that gravity and time are mere constructs of our quantum imaginations.

#### oldfart73

(61 posts)#### Joinfortmill

(15,385 posts)#### intrepidity

(7,674 posts)Best definition I've ever heard.

#### whopis01

(3,612 posts)#### snot

(10,641 posts)begins with the division of the One into two.

One's and zeros – that's all it takes to generate just about anything; all possibilities, including all dimensions including time, are created via division/distinction.

#### caraher

(6,288 posts)There's nothing "illusory" about time as described by the research. Rather, the authors apply an account of motion and time as emerging jointly from a mathematical model of a toy universe that does not explicitly include time as a parameter of the model.

It's interesting stuff, but it would be equally true to say they discovered motion is illusory. What they're doing is neither; rather, they are contributing to a thread of research about time and dynamics that avoids some infelicities and pitfalls associated with theories where time is an explicit parameter in theory.

#### BWdem4life

(1,972 posts)#### KPN

(15,868 posts)#### Easterncedar

(2,731 posts)#### Martin Eden

(13,088 posts)Or the Tralfamadorians.

#### Ocelot II

(118,166 posts)Space exists so everything doesn't happen to you.

#### Joinfortmill

(15,385 posts)#### JoseBalow

(3,740 posts)It's also money

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#### Marcuse

(7,719 posts)#### GaYellowDawg

(4,709 posts)Maybe they could turn the hell around and go back in time.

#### BootinUp

(48,165 posts)That diet is much more important than I realized as I get older. I mean the basics, nothing special, but just eating regularly, balanced diet, a one a day Vito, then basic stretching and some light exercise. This all seems to help and it’s not a lot. I have some arthritis stuff going on and it gets up a head of steam if I do not do above. I take aspirin. Nothing more for the most part.

Hope you can find some relief.