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Related: About this forumThe Southern Ocean current reverses for the first time, signaling a risk of climate system collapse
A few scientists huddled around the screen, some squinting through fogged-up glasses, one clutching a mug of coffee gone cold an hour earlier. The numbers were wrong. Or rather, they were right, but they described something that was never supposed to happen in our lifetime: the great current encircling Antarctica had changed direction.
No one said anything at first. Just the slap of waves on metal and the wind gnawing at their hoods. Then someone whispered, half-joking, Did we just break the planet? A nervous laugh, quickly swallowed. They ran the measurements again. Same result. The Southern Ocean current, the conveyor belt that stabilises much of Earths climate, had reversed in a key sector. The screen glowed in the damp lab, a quiet alarm in pixels and graphs. Outside, the sea kept rolling, indifferent. Inside, a single thought spread: *what else is about to flip?
From space, the Southern Ocean looks like a restless halo, circling Antarctica without ever stopping. For decades, that ring-shaped current has flowed in one dominant direction, pushing cold, nutrient-rich water around the bottom of the planet. Its the kind of slow, steady motion we treat as a given, like gravity or sunrise. Then the data sets from moored instruments and satellites began to line up, telling the same strange story: in a crucial region, the flow had turned around.
Oceanographers had warned that warming and freshening of Antarctic waters could disrupt this system. Still, when the first models suggested a real-world reversal, most people thought not yet. The ocean had other plans. In the space of a single season, a pattern that had held for centuries flickered, stumbled, then shifted. The maps that once showed a clean band of current now show eddies and patches of opposite motion, like a river starting to curl back on itself. Thats when the word collapse stopped sounding like science fiction and started sounding like a forecast.
https://www.thepunjab.co.uk/14-165653-the-southern-ocean-current-reverses-for-the-first-time-signaling-a-risk-of-climate-system-collapse-2/
Getting rid of trump, and putting the responsible adults back in charge, is a matter of survival.
RockCreek
(1,381 posts)erronis
(22,752 posts)These forces take decades, centuries, millennia to develop and will take similar times to change course.
But we need to try to act rationally with our home planet and prepare for expected and unexpected events. As it stands right now, the people who control (and/or want to control) the human impacts are devoid of reason and long-term planning.
NotHardly
(2,654 posts)" target="_blank">[/b ... best I can do.
hunter
(40,392 posts)The earth will go on but it will be less hospitable to us.
In a few million years nothing will be left of humans but a curious layer of trash in the geologic record. And life will be rapidly evolving, reestablishing the diversity that we destroyed.
erronis
(22,752 posts)angrychair
(11,755 posts)I always say I'm not an environmentalists for the Earth itself but for the human race. The Earth is billions of years old. It once rained for 2 million years straight.
The meteor wiped out 99% of all life but life still found a way... eventually.
That's why I'm not worried about the Earth but we may be in serious trouble.
PatSeg
(52,273 posts)hay rick
(9,386 posts)Anthropogenic climate change needs to slowed down and stopped as soon as possible with or without the permission or cooperation of those in power.
patphil
(8,741 posts)BaronChocula
(4,062 posts)Humanity itself is an experiment and it's proving to be a failure. When ample warning of catastrophe doesn't work, catastrophe is inevitable.
PatSeg
(52,273 posts)We are so self-destructive and irrational, it would seem that our demise is probably on the horizon.
erronis
(22,752 posts)Whatever the scientists consider "our species" original moment, we've already run through a bunch of known models and are still obviously experimenting.
Personally, I think I like being at this point where change is possible, rather than being destined to being one type of drudge for my short life. Maybe this is why most of us don't want to be relegated to being slaves, blue collar, housewives, handmaidens, etc. Give us a choice!
PatSeg
(52,273 posts)most of the physical world we live in, that doesn't leave us much room for a new model.
A part of me believes we are on the verge of a quantum leap in evolution, but there will be a lot of pain and suffering in the process. Not to mention a major decrease in worldwide population, which is probably inevitable with climate change and wars being started all over the globe.
I do earnestly believe that if we don't change, we will become extinct. Pretty much everything I read about history tells me that we've been doing the same horrible stuff to one another for 1000s of years. I have encountered a few rare exceptions, particularly among Native American nations.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be such a downer, but this day is really getting to me.
debsy
(775 posts)yellow dahlia
(4,698 posts)yellow dahlia
(4,698 posts)Warpy
(114,413 posts)Good discussion about changes in salinity and some perturbation in the current. It's basically the same things that are going on with major ocean currents across the planet as the climate changes. S far, the chanes are measurable but slow.
Cheezoholic
(3,542 posts)that behavior is a problem. Day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year until they're worm food.
erronis
(22,752 posts)But stopping that one person from enjoying their last dying cigarette is not going to change the course of this world.
Most of us are wired to prefer short-term rewards. Some are much better at looking towards their own futures. Very few look into the future of our society and the planet's health.
angrychair
(11,755 posts)Based on a review y Newsweek:
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-ocean-current-reversal-what-know-2096224
Bayard
(28,724 posts)Per the Newsweek article:
"an erroneous press release from El Institut de Ciències del Mar about the June 30 study that allegedly included a flawed quote from study co-author Antonio Turiel regarding ocean circulation.
Turiel told Newsweek that the flawed quote was partly a result of mistranslation.
"Our original press note contained some wrong sentences, partly caused by mistranslation, partly caused by a wrong use of words on my side. That's the reason of the correction," he said.
Turiel added that the paper also found evidence that "isopycnals have shoaled, so effectively there is a change in the structure of Southern Ocean."
This doesn't indicate a change in direction for the current, Turial said, but that "it is likely that there is a change in the configuration of the currents.""
Ford_Prefect
(8,518 posts)While the topic may indeed be relevant or even correctly represented the author is not an expert and doesn't cite any data or dates of reference. It reads like an environmental "scare you" only slightly less sensational than Murdoch would publish.
I am not disputing the need to pay attention to changes in the ocean due to Climate Change. I am questioning this particular version and how it was presented and composed.
Max Olivier is listed as the author but I can find no references to an actual person. The page showing content listed under his byline reads like an AI version of quite a few topics. Informative perhaps, but with no actual references.
I strongly suspect this was written by an AI program pretending to be such a person.