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Judi Lynn

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Fri Nov 4, 2022, 08:12 PM Nov 2022

Ancient peoples in South America had both Denisovan and Neanderthal DNA -- and we have no clue how it

Ancient peoples in South America had both Denisovan and Neanderthal DNA — and we have no clue how it got there

Ancient peoples seem to have mingled much more than thought possible.

by Alexandru Micu November 4, 2022 Reading Time: 4 mins read



Archeologists in Brazil are hard at work to uncover the genetic ancestry of some of South America’s earliest humans.

While the genetic contribution of Neanderthals to the modern human gene pool is well known, these ancient hominids are generally associated with Europe, especially Northern Europe. Denisovans, meanwhile, are generally associated with populations in Asia.

You can imagine, then, the surprise of archeologists working on two archaeological sites in Brazil when they discovered the presence of Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA in ancient South Americans.

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The findings are based on human remains recovered from archeological sites in Brazil, Panama, and Uruguay. Initially, the researchers working at these sites were aiming to map out the patterns of ancient migrations throughout the South American continent. This confirmed that migrations occurred from north-to-south along the continent, but also found evidence of migrations in the opposite direction along the Atlantic coast. But the genetic sequencing of these remains provided them with an unexpected surprise.

More:
https://www.zmescience.com/science/south-america-ancient-neanderthal-denisovan-dna-92352342/

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Ancient peoples in South America had both Denisovan and Neanderthal DNA -- and we have no clue how it (Original Post) Judi Lynn Nov 2022 OP
Not really confusing if..fish..had..wings Nov 2022 #1
Thank you. ⭐️ 👋 Judi Lynn Nov 2022 #2
Agree. I don't know why this article wnylib Nov 2022 #3
1. Not really confusing
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 11:00 PM
Nov 2022

Homo sapiens, Homo neanderthalensis and Denisovan Homo interbred long before sapiens crossed over into the Americas. Whatever non-sapien DNA they carried would arrive in the Americas with them.

wnylib

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3. Agree. I don't know why this article
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 01:19 PM
Nov 2022

makes it seem like there is some great mystery here.

I question a few things in the article. It says that HD (Denisovan) DNA in Brazil is from 40,000 years ago, but does not clarify the statement. I personally think that people were probably in the Americas much earlier than has usually been believed. But I don't know of any specific confirmation that is accepted for 40,000 years ago. The DNA from HD could trace back to 40,000 years ago without the people themselves arriving in South America until later. It might be possible to clarify which is the case by looking at available mutation records in the DNA of HD in modern populations that have HD DNA.

The claim in the article that HN (Neanderthal) was in Europe and therefore its presence in Asia is mysterious is just not true. There are HN remains in Asia. There are sites in Asia where both HD and HN lived. Asians and the Native people of the Americas have higher HN DNA than Europeans.
https://www.archaeology.org/issues/60-1301/trenches/311-hominin-neanderthals-humans-siberia#:~:text=According%20to%20David%20Reich%2C%20a,%2C%20on%20average%2C%20than%20Europeans.

The Australasian DNA is interesting, since they are associated with southeastern Asia and the Beringia route is in far northeastern Asia. But ancient Asian migrations and consequent intermating can account for that. In fact, there is already evidence of that. The ancient Jomon people of Japan were related to Polynesians.

This article on the Australasian DNA in South America gives likely scenarios for how it shows up there, but not in North America.

https://www.science.org/content/article/earliest-south-american-migrants-had-australian-melanesian-ancestry

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