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Draft Declaration on Freedom of Thought and Expression, World Humanism Congress (meeting in London next month):
There is no right not to be offended, or not to hear contrary opinions. Respect for peoples freedom of belief does not imply respect for those beliefs. The expression of opposition to any beliefs, including in the form of satire, ridicule or condemnation in all media and forms is vital to critical discourse and any restraint that is exercised in this expression must be self-restraint alone. The best response to the expression of a view we disagree with is to reply to it. Violence and censorship are never legitimate responses. All laws that criminalise language on grounds of blasphemy or of offence to beliefs and values impede human freedom and should be abolished.
Warpy
(111,351 posts)If not, then "no right to live ones life without ever being offended" is wordy but says the same sort of thing.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)and others have a right to offend you if they so desire.
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)Maybe rearrange it?
The right to not be offended does not exist.
Or
The right to not be offended is a lie.
Double negative or not, the sentence still makes logical sense. Remove the negatives and you get "There is a right to be offended." Which is definitely true.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)In the classic case the negation applies to the same object as in "you don't have no right". In this case there are two objects being negated: rights and the state of being offended.
"There is no right to x". Is a valid statement. "Y will not be offended." Is equally valid. Combining and connecting these statements as "There is no right to not be offended" is a perfectly fine statement, despite containing two negations.
Misconception: Using double negatives is always bad English. Patricia O'Conner includes this in a list of "bogus or worn-out rules".[27][28] She advises readers to avoid certain uses (such as "I didn't do nothing" but not to completely remove the double negative from our English toolboxes when constructing prose.[29] Acceptable examples given are "It's not inconceivable. She's not unappealing."[30] Whether the double negative is a positive constitutes a major difference between the acceptable and unacceptable examples. Many prescriptive English speakers consider this the criterion for whether a double negative is acceptable.[31] But it was only in 1762 that this trend of making English agree with formal logic was introduced, so some linguists still advise against using double negatives altogether.[31] Paul Brians, who affirms that "It is not true, as some assert, that double negatives are always wrong," provides the following humorous example:
One of the funniest uses of the literary double negative is Douglas Adams' description of a machine dispensing "a substance almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea."[32]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_English_usage_misconceptions
Just because some theist thought they had a brilliant point doesn't mean they did. Eventually the doh! moment struck and the theist admitted defeat.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)I always heard a story in college that the double negative was originally "outlawed" in English because a monk indicated that Latin could have no double negative and since Latin was the superior language, English shouldn't either. That could be bullshit, but the only reason I teach not to use double negatives is because most people are too stupid to use them correctly.
This one is correctly used, I believe.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)learn this. Know this. I can't count the number of times it's been explained to them without a hint of comprehension.
onager
(9,356 posts)Because of the ridiculous dust-up recently about Stephen Fry's phrasing being a double negative. Which, as people noted above, it really isn't. "No right not to be offended" is not a contradiction and is perfectly understandable. To me, anyway.
Then there were the condescending remarks about Salman Rushdie's language. That's rich, coming from a bunch of people who usually write as if the English language had done them some horrible wrong and they are trying to take revenge on it.
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)Though I think Fran Liebowitz said it best:
"Being offended is the natural consequence of leaving one's home."
You're welcome. And here's more from Fran Liebowitz.
rocktivity
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Hell... I didn't even have to leave home....
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:27 PM - Edit history (1)
before there were such things as the Internet, texting, and news cycles. So let's update it:
"Being offended is the natural consequence of being awake."
rocktivity