Atheists & Agnostics
Related: About this forumHow do you handle 'split' families?
Never posted here before.
I'm 73.
Miz t. is 70.
I'm an atheist.
She is now a devout Episcopalian, but was raised in the Catholic church.
She left that church before we married, for a number of reasons.
For most of our 45 year marriage we did not attend church except for occasional Episcopal Christmas Eve choral services.
Since her mom died several years ago, she has become much more 'spiritual'.
She is now an active and popular participant in her church.
That's fine.
I believe in live and let live.
I don't begrudge her her faith, I just don't share it.
But...once in a while I see something that just sets me off and I guess I denigrate religion in general.
Tonight it was a local 'news' clip about a store in a high crime area that had never been robbed. The proprietors credited their god for that.
"We hold hands and pray every day. Sometimes our customers join us. We thank god for keeping us safe."
I kinda went ballistic.
Miz t. understands and doesn't respond when I have one of these rants.
She's a treasure.
I just wonder how others deal with this situation?
Thanks.
RussBLib
(9,019 posts)Turns out the girl I fell in love with back in the '70's got kicked out of Catholic school for asking too many questions. Whatever traces of religion still in her system I seem to have eradicated, and now she's a bigger and louder atheist than I am. I wouldn't want it any other way.
I don't know if I could marry or continue to stay married to a woman who was devout in her religious belief.
A large chunk of my family is religious, but the difference I guess is that I only have to visit them, not live with them.
I salute you for carrying tolerance the extra mile.
Lars39
(26,109 posts)Had a rant myself tonight. Husband's brother, director of a very well known religious non-profit, is trying to take advantage of my husband's computer skills, wanting him to donate his time for free to be their IT guy (husband's a programmer).
There's approx. 30 employees all with computers. It's a two-fer...brother gets free work done and gets to proselytize my husband, too. I pointed out the fact that they can afford to pay for computer help, and that it would start taking up all his spare time.
I conveniently skipped over the proselytizing part for matrimonial harmony, but he knows my views on the subject by now.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I don't think that I could marry someone who is serious about their faith, but that is not the situation you are in. You and Mrs. t have loved each other for so long before she got involved in the church that I am sure it is a different situation. When I have dated someone who is very religious, it has been a deal-breaker---but that becomes apparent before there is any commitment.
I can only discuss how I deal with family members who are believers, since I want to continue to have a relationship with them and they mean a lot to me. We have made it a taboo subject. I refuse to discuss religion with them, and they are respectful enough not to bring it up. The difference is that I don't live them every day like a spouse. But it sounds like the two of you deal with it well...which is why you have made it to 45 years. Congratulations. My sister's 50th was today, so I realize that it is a long time and you learn to deal with things.
trof
(54,256 posts)They're nice people, intelligent for the most part.
I go to their purely social gatherings with her, just not worship services.
All-in-all, they are a fun bunch.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)There are many places in this country where church events are about the only thing happening. I am in one of those areas. I don't usually go to any of those events, but when I have, it has never been religious in nature and of course there are very nice people there. There are very nice people everywhere, with a few assholes interspersed.
Tobin S.
(10,418 posts)We are both just very open-minded people and we respect each other. She doesn't try to convert me and I don't try to lure her over to the dark side of the force.
It helps that she doesn't think I'm doomed to an eternal damnation. She has told me that she doesn't believe in hell.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)Nice to see ya here! My wife of 28 years claims to be southern baptist but as far as I know she's been to church twice - once with her mom and once with mine. (Since I've known her I mean. She probably went plenty when she was a child - as did I)
Mostly our religious life consists of her ignoring my smart-ass comments until it builds up enough for her to roll her eyes so far up in to her head she can see her brain.
She knows I would never stand in her way if she wanted to become more involved in a church but so far she hasn't expressed any interest in it. I don't hold back my criticisms though - very similar to your anecdote above - and she will either ignore me or roll her eyes as she sees fit. Occasionally she tells me to keep my gd mouth shut but that's only if there's folks around we don't know well enough to for me to be blasphemous in front of.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)As for my family, everyone's free to say what they like. I don't pass judgment. I wouldn't describe my wife as an atheist. We just don't discuss that issue. Better that way.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)My parents were married until my Dad died, a very happy marriage.
She dragged us to an Episcopal church when we were children.
I came out as an atheist directly after my "confirmation" at age 12.
I am one of 5 children.
2 of us (both girls) identify as atheists.
All three of my brothers say they are "agnostic".
Two of them married VERY religious wives.
My father was the greatest guy.....
He never really talked about the possibility of a deity...
he would just look at my mother and say,
"I prefer to worship in private" or "I keep my worshiping
to myself" when we asked him why he didn't have to
go to church on Sundays.
He's been gone for over 16 years and I still miss him.
I myself married a "recovering Catholic" who has since
become an atheist. We've been married for 25 years.
I can't imagine having to bite my tongue!
Both of my children are atheists, but my oldest daughter
HAS chastised me in the past for not "belonging" to anything!
She thinks she would have had more friends as a child if
other kids were forced to be with her. She is shy and
doesn't make friends easily. She also doesn't like to have to
make decisions....this she readily admits!
trof
(54,256 posts)We didn't attend church regularly when she was growing up.
Miz t. wasn't overtly 'religious' with me until her mom died a few years ago.
She lived with us for the last year of her life.
She was also a lapsed Catholic (Cajun French).
She quit the church when she told her priest that after six kids she did not want any more babies.
He told her that birth control was a sin.
Miz t. decided her mom should have last rites when she was dying.
I was in the hospital room when the priest gave them.
It was spooky and very uncomfortable for me.
frogmarch
(12,154 posts)so are our three grown kids, two sons and a daughter. The wife of one of our sons is Lakota and although she was brought up Catholic, shes pretty much abandoned any form of Christianity for old Lakota beliefs. Our other daughter-in-law doesnt attend church but after losing three of her siblings in death (one died in a car accident and the other two committed suicide), she says she has to let herself believe shell see them all again, so she doesnt want to let herself doubt that the Christian god exists and that all will be well in the end. Our daughters latest boyfriend...I havent a clue. Our three grown grandkids include an atheist and two agnostics.
Mr. froggy used to go to church with his devout mom when she was still living. She loved that he did, and he enjoyed the music.
We get along by not discussing religion when were all together. Its a different story when its just us atheists and agnostics, though.
Mr. froggys sisters and his other relatives are all gung-ho Christians and probably talk about us behind our backs, but it beats their trying to save us like they always used to do, so its okay with us. We dont see them often, but when we do, we all avoid the subject of religion.
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)We have come to terms on what to celebrate, so it doesn't affect us.