Creation vs Evolution...

[TruthBeTold65]

You don't have to watch this to get the point of this post but I was watching this video on YouTube :

This man mentioned something about the "CreationWiki" wikipedia-type website for creationists. One of the stories on there was about a marine graveyard in Chile that was reported on in December 2011. Researchers found many marine mammals that were all found in a same area in Chile. I decided to read the creation spin and then a brief story on National Geographic.

Creation story: http://creation.com/chile-desert-whale-fossils

National Geographic story: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/12/pictures/111206-whale-graveyard-chile-fossils-science/

So, the headline on the creation story says the graveyard was from Noah's flood. Interestingly though the story is a mix of pushing the Noah flood idea and actual facts. I was surprised they actually had facts in there.

Anyway, I was more interested in the "comments" section of each story. On the evolution side, there was wonder, ideas and decent speculation on what might have happened. On the creation side, ignorance, which you would expect but also a real fear of atheists and evolutionists.

I would be interested in what others think of the creation comments??

[MarkCharles]

1. Thanks for pointing out the video!

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I didn't see many comments from the Creaturds. I saw them in the Nat Geo article and the other one.

Those people are incapable of comprehending large numbers, so 6000 or so years seems to help them out.

Creationists also fail to understand anything related to basic atomic physics, chemistry, astronomy, and geology. They are simply very willingly ignorant illiterate persons who can read and write, but choose not to read, choose NOT to study any part of science, and choose to make up something to comply with their understanding of their holy book of fairy tales.

What is amazing is that many fundamental religious colleges have no courses in astronomy or geology, few in chemistry or biology, and nothing close to atomic physics. They shortchange their students of a 21st century college education in science. They do this, and yet they get federal Pell and other grants for their students. I think this should stop immediately for those places.

Most of these colleges also have instructors with either an M Div or PhD. in theology, or in the humanities, and arts and letters. Few solid science PhD.'s if any, and most of their science faculty have never published a peer-reviewed article in a reputable scientific journal.

This is troubling to see colleges being called "colleges" when they don't offer a college education.

[Curmudgeoness]

3. I would be amazed to find solid PhD scientists

teaching at these fundamental religious "colleges". There are no solid scientists who do not believe in evolutionary theory or the fundamentals of geology. And we all know that these scientists would not be able to teach in these fundie schools. They can't handle the truth.

But isn't it amazing that these same people will talk about antibiotic resistant bacteria as something they will accept, without acknowledging how this happens? Incredibly stupid.

[MarkCharles]

5. Actually, most these creationist Ph.D.'s are only able...

to find employment at fundamental religious colleges, and they gather there.

I have a grand niece who goes to one of these colleges in Indiana. Her choice of science studies in college is limited to about 2 out of 6 courses, as she learns how to be certified to teach or administer a pre-school.

I reviewed the entire course of study in the sciences, (for which they offer no major other than nursing), and I found out that they offer no courses in physics, none in astronomy, none in geology.

All of their offerings were in chemistry and biology. One in "evironmental sciences" where the thesis of the course boldly stated:

" we explore the wonder of our planet that God granted to us, and learn to help our neighbors keep our planet healthy for the spread of the Gospel to all who will listen"

I kid you not, this college is all about propagation of the Gospel.

[Curmudgeoness]

8. OMG....

I would be shocked to see that in a description of a course. But if she is going to this school, I suppose that she is not as disgusted by this as I am.

I will say one thing about college---most of the time, all I was doing was trying to get through some of the classes I had to take. One of the things I learned early on was to figure out what the instructor wanted, and just give it to them. I suppose that could be entertaining while I navigated a course like the one you describe. My first semester, I had an English writing course....my first paper got an F with the comments that she didn't understand what I was saying, etc. So I just dumbed down the other pages and got A's. Go figure. The second semester, another writing course. I stuck with the dumbed down writing and got an F with comments about how I had not put any thought into the writing. I went back to the way I had started, and got A's.

Most of what college is is learning how to jump through hoops. But those hoops she is encountering are also lit with fire. Yikes. It would be interesting to know exactly what they are taught.

[OriginalGeek]

19. I wish I still had my propaganda, err, I mean brochures

and other material from when my youth group took a trip to visit Bob Jones University. It was the summer between our Jr and Senior years and the church leadership was pushing hard for us to commit to BJU.

This would have been 1980....I remember specifically the guy giving us the tour admonishing us not to date outside our race. And good Bob Jones couples maintained the 6 inches rule (they could hold hands but there must be a minimum of 6 inches between the rest of any of their body parts). Surely they talked to us about the academic programs at the school but all I remember is the sex things we weren't allowed to do.

I would be absolutely stunned if I were to find their science classes weren't described the same as above.


Thankfully BJU was expensive enough it was never a serious consideration for my mother and step-father. And I left home soon after graduation and never had to worry about it again.

[Curmudgeoness]

20. That makes me wonder

how Bob Jones University got anyone to go to school there. I mean really, between junior and senior years in high school, I would expect every kid to be focussing only on the sex part.

It is sad to think of how many people allow themselves to be short changed on education, and refuse to even consider things that they don't want to believe. I know people like this, and it is impossible to get them to even read an article that does not agree with them.

[TruthBeTold65]

9. I always wondered...

where these people went. I have always been perplexed at how someone can deny evolution (science) then still study science and go anywhere. I guess if you "keep it in the family" you never have to actually interact with real science or you can become like Michael Behe and bastardize real science into whatever you wish. But like you said these guys are not getting anything peer reviewed.

[MarkCharles]

2. Okay, I went through the video, and, honestly,...

it's not one of the best videos on Youtube critical of creationists' views of the Grand Canyon.


I'm going to dig up a couple that are more fun to watch, ok?

Back soon.

"Geodyssey, Part 4a: The Big-Assed Flood"

"Geodyssey, Part 4b: Deep Time"

:Geodyssey, Part 4c: Breakup"

WildwoodClaire, as she calls herself on Youtube is one of my favorite Youtube Ph.D. geologists, now working at U NC in Chapel Hill, NC. Here she reviews 15 million years of history of the Colorado River, and points out all the "faults" in the creationist arguments.

[TruthBeTold65]

10. Thanks!

I will definitely check these out.

[kdmorris]

4. I love the one that said

"It defies logical reasoning when atheists try to say there is no God. How did the heavens-the galaxies, planets, and stars get there all by themselves, by chance? How could they possibly get there without a Creator God? Anyone with half a brain should realise that."

Because that is the ONLY possible explanation, right? I get tired of being called an idiot by these people.

[MarkCharles]

6. That's one that certainly stood out!

It shows such an incredible willful lack of understanding of physics and cosmology.

It proudly proclaims: "hey, I'm so stupid, only that magic man in the sky can make up for my lack of a scientific understanding of the Universe"

And to think that that person has a right to vote.

[kdmorris]

7. Scary, huh? n/t

[mr blur]

13. In other words:

[MarkCharles]

14. My hero, Dr Brian Cox ! Yes! n/t

[frogmarch]

17. The Wonders of the Universe

is my favorite show on TV. I've learned a lot from watching it.

I love Brian Cox!

[dimbear]

12. The Noah story is one of my favorite Bible stories.

Noah ran around to his neighbors telling them to beware, because climate change was coming. They just laughed and laughed.

I don't remember the rest, probably worked out fine for them.

[mr blur]

15. I like this comment:

Luckily there are people like CMI who’s got the analytical brains and the doctrine! These days I find it so easy to explain and understand everyday life. Life and mysteries like these whales are so much easier to understand through a Biblical worldview. THANK YOU CMI!

Could almost be a Poe...

[MarkCharles]

16. Yeah, I was wondering how an engineer could...

be thinking that. I think it's an attempt at satire and it went over the heads of the person moderating which posts get posted.

I posted something and it never arrived there, of course, I had quoted "science".

[frogmarch]

18. Thanks for the video and the article links.

Last sentence in the Creationist whale article:

“After the ocean basins had mostly subsided and the waters had almost completely drained from the land, the whales and other animals that perished in the catastrophe were buried—toward the end of Noah’s Flood. As Robert Raeburn commented on one of the web news reports, the mystery disappears when we interpret the rocks and the fossils from a Bible perspective.”
~~

GAH!