Atheists & Agnostics
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rexcat
(3,622 posts)and how the hell to you get the quote in the shaded box! I think I missed that lesson.
laconicsax
(14,860 posts)You click on the /excerpt button and cut and paste what you want between the brackets or highlight what you want and click the /excerpt button. It's late and I'm a little slow on the uptake!
laconicsax
(14,860 posts)-Click "excerpt"
-Paste or type your text
-Click "/excerpt"
OR
-Paste or type your text
-Select the text you want in the box
-Click "except"
dimbear
(6,271 posts)most of human history. We, right now here in the US of A, are in a lull period of that well founded fear.
dmallind
(10,437 posts)It's not in the past at all that atheists get fired, death threats, violence, ostracism. Hell even killed for "admitting" their atheism.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)"Nonsense, where I live I know several atheists who are open about their atheism without any repercussions I've seen so therefore none of you are oppressed and you should shut up."
laconicsax
(14,860 posts)It's like you're channeling several people at once.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)"I will shut up when you declare that you are an atheist and see how everyone treats you."
"Walk in my shoes before you spout off, you ignorant asshole!"
How's that?
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)I'm a lifelong atheist and have never been shy or fearful about "admitting" this, but the reaction to such an admission greatly depends on where I'm living. In Europe or where I live now (Seattle), a shrug, mostly. Occasionally though, fear. Recently a woman of my acquaintance invited me to a service at her evangelical church and when I said I was an atheist, she looked at me as though I had just confessed to being the Green River Killer. This actually makes me laugh, and didn't make me feel oppressed in the slightest.
When I lived in Texas, though, I was often asked where I went to church, and when I answered truthfully, received reactions ranging from disbelief ("you're just angry with God" to contempt and outright hatred ("you're going to Hell, and I'll be laughing at you when you do" . I'd receive odd phone calls at home and strangers would attempt to change my mind. My in-laws, to this day (25+ years later), think I might as well be Ted Bundy and are terrified of me. Still, at no point did I feel oppressed, but then I'm fortunate enough to be self-sufficient financially and indifferent to the opinion of others.
I imagine it's quite different for people raised in religious households who leave the faith, however. I've heard of many a case of teenagers literally being kicked out of the house without possessions and shunned by their entire family. I can certainly imagine a reluctance to admit atheism in those cases, especially in those pre-internet days when those kids might feel they were the only ones in the world to feel that way. Oppression is not overstating their situation.
onager
(9,356 posts)From Wikipedia, also noted in other articles and books about Gary Ridgway:
Ridgway had become fanatically religious during his second marriage, proselytizing door-to-door, reading the Bible aloud at work and at home, and insisting that (wife) Marcia follow the strict teachings of their church pastor. Ridgway would also frequently cry after sermons or reading the Bible.
Then there was Dennis Rader in Wichita, better known as BTK (Bind/Torture/Kill). After several decades, he was caught when he sent the cops a letter on floppy disk. The disk was traced back to his church, where Rader served as an executive officer.
Ted Bundy also had a famous Death Row religious conversion and blamed his murders on porn addiction. IIRC, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson fell for it, though no sane persons did.
/true crime fan
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)Oh, believe me, I have told them about Ridgway (I think I might have met him when I worked night shifts at a convenience store next to his truck-painting plant) and Bundy. I've shown them all the statistics you'd care to mention, including the fact that secular Scandinavian countries have far lower crime rates than we do here. It makes no difference.
"No sane persons did". Sums it up right there.
/Fellow true crime fan.
SkepticNY
(2 posts)Fear in some parts of the county, hatred or disdain in others. Ignored nationwide. This is exactly why we need to attend the Reason Rally in DC next weekend. Enough with the religious fanatics.They are over-represented. We have to show politicians (and "average" Americans for that matter) that there are a lot of us and that we demand to be counted. When, if ever, did a politician address the Atheist community?
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)I'm not much of a rally-attending person normally, but my wife and I attended the planned-parenthood rally in DC 8 years ago. I thought long and hard about the Reason Rally in DC, but ultimately couldn't fit it into our schedule. As atheists we're notoriously difficult to organise, aren't we? ("herding cats" and I'm a bit fearful this rally will backfire if it's only sparsely attended.
marginlized
(357 posts)Being gay, I understand about 'coming out'.
What's new to me is how often do you get asked about your beliefs? In my experience, people generally don't ask about beliefs or 'what church do you attend' sorts of questions for quite a while if at all. Almost as if everyone knows it's pretty personal and so why ask.
In contrast, "so, are you married?" is the first thing anyone says to me. Innocuous, right? Not really, and I have to immediately start making judgement calls about who they are and the consequences of anything I say.
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)I think it really depends where you live. Here in Seattle, I'm almost never asked. Living in the south, though, I was quite frequently asked which church I attended. It's not even malicious or bigotted, I don't think. It seems to be just the way they use to peg you into a group so they know what you're about. They just have a hard time dealing with "none" as a response.
Disclaimer: experience with living in the south more than 25 years old. Things might have changed, but I don't think so.
Ninjaneer
(607 posts)For some reason I never thought about it that way...