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Read this, thought I'd share. (Original Post) laconicsax Mar 2012 OP
Well stated... rexcat Mar 2012 #1
Use the excerpt button. laconicsax Mar 2012 #2
Okay... rexcat Mar 2012 #3
You got it. laconicsax Mar 2012 #4
Thanks! rexcat Mar 2012 #5
Agree with the quote entirely and regret that it has been exactly that way for dimbear Mar 2012 #6
Some are, some aren't . dmallind Mar 2012 #8
Great quote - and the response we would get is: trotsky Mar 2012 #7
That's eerie. laconicsax Mar 2012 #9
And to that person, I say Curmudgeoness Mar 2012 #11
That's hard to argue... Ron Obvious Mar 2012 #10
Make sure they know this about the Green River Killer... onager Mar 2012 #12
Oh, absolutely... Ron Obvious Mar 2012 #14
Come out next weekend! SkepticNY Mar 2012 #13
I would... Ron Obvious Mar 2012 #15
How often do you get asked about your beliefs? marginlized Mar 2012 #16
It really depends where you live Ron Obvious Mar 2012 #17
Great quote Ninjaneer Mar 2012 #18

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
3. Okay...
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 12:57 AM
Mar 2012

You click on the /excerpt button and cut and paste what you want between the brackets or highlight what you want and click the /excerpt button. It's late and I'm a little slow on the uptake!

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
4. You got it.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 01:01 AM
Mar 2012

-Click "excerpt"
-Paste or type your text
-Click "/excerpt"

OR

-Paste or type your text
-Select the text you want in the box
-Click "except"

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
6. Agree with the quote entirely and regret that it has been exactly that way for
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 03:45 AM
Mar 2012

most of human history. We, right now here in the US of A, are in a lull period of that well founded fear.

dmallind

(10,437 posts)
8. Some are, some aren't .
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 09:25 AM
Mar 2012

It's not in the past at all that atheists get fired, death threats, violence, ostracism. Hell even killed for "admitting" their atheism.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
7. Great quote - and the response we would get is:
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:28 AM
Mar 2012

"Nonsense, where I live I know several atheists who are open about their atheism without any repercussions I've seen so therefore none of you are oppressed and you should shut up."

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
11. And to that person, I say
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:52 PM
Mar 2012

"I will shut up when you declare that you are an atheist and see how everyone treats you."

"Walk in my shoes before you spout off, you ignorant asshole!"

How's that?

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
10. That's hard to argue...
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 01:09 PM
Mar 2012

I'm a lifelong atheist and have never been shy or fearful about "admitting" this, but the reaction to such an admission greatly depends on where I'm living. In Europe or where I live now (Seattle), a shrug, mostly. Occasionally though, fear. Recently a woman of my acquaintance invited me to a service at her evangelical church and when I said I was an atheist, she looked at me as though I had just confessed to being the Green River Killer. This actually makes me laugh, and didn't make me feel oppressed in the slightest.

When I lived in Texas, though, I was often asked where I went to church, and when I answered truthfully, received reactions ranging from disbelief ("you're just angry with God&quot to contempt and outright hatred ("you're going to Hell, and I'll be laughing at you when you do&quot . I'd receive odd phone calls at home and strangers would attempt to change my mind. My in-laws, to this day (25+ years later), think I might as well be Ted Bundy and are terrified of me. Still, at no point did I feel oppressed, but then I'm fortunate enough to be self-sufficient financially and indifferent to the opinion of others.

I imagine it's quite different for people raised in religious households who leave the faith, however. I've heard of many a case of teenagers literally being kicked out of the house without possessions and shunned by their entire family. I can certainly imagine a reluctance to admit atheism in those cases, especially in those pre-internet days when those kids might feel they were the only ones in the world to feel that way. Oppression is not overstating their situation.

onager

(9,356 posts)
12. Make sure they know this about the Green River Killer...
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 09:44 PM
Mar 2012

From Wikipedia, also noted in other articles and books about Gary Ridgway:

Ridgway had become fanatically religious during his second marriage, proselytizing door-to-door, reading the Bible aloud at work and at home, and insisting that (wife) Marcia follow the strict teachings of their church pastor. Ridgway would also frequently cry after sermons or reading the Bible.

Then there was Dennis Rader in Wichita, better known as BTK (Bind/Torture/Kill). After several decades, he was caught when he sent the cops a letter on floppy disk. The disk was traced back to his church, where Rader served as an executive officer.

Ted Bundy also had a famous Death Row religious conversion and blamed his murders on porn addiction. IIRC, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson fell for it, though no sane persons did.

/true crime fan


 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
14. Oh, absolutely...
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:08 PM
Mar 2012

Oh, believe me, I have told them about Ridgway (I think I might have met him when I worked night shifts at a convenience store next to his truck-painting plant) and Bundy. I've shown them all the statistics you'd care to mention, including the fact that secular Scandinavian countries have far lower crime rates than we do here. It makes no difference.

"No sane persons did". Sums it up right there.

/Fellow true crime fan.

SkepticNY

(2 posts)
13. Come out next weekend!
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:08 PM
Mar 2012

Fear in some parts of the county, hatred or disdain in others. Ignored nationwide. This is exactly why we need to attend the Reason Rally in DC next weekend. Enough with the religious fanatics.They are over-represented. We have to show politicians (and "average" Americans for that matter) that there are a lot of us and that we demand to be counted. When, if ever, did a politician address the Atheist community?

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
15. I would...
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 05:08 PM
Mar 2012

I'm not much of a rally-attending person normally, but my wife and I attended the planned-parenthood rally in DC 8 years ago. I thought long and hard about the Reason Rally in DC, but ultimately couldn't fit it into our schedule. As atheists we're notoriously difficult to organise, aren't we? ("herding cats&quot and I'm a bit fearful this rally will backfire if it's only sparsely attended.


marginlized

(357 posts)
16. How often do you get asked about your beliefs?
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 06:06 PM
Mar 2012

Being gay, I understand about 'coming out'.

What's new to me is how often do you get asked about your beliefs? In my experience, people generally don't ask about beliefs or 'what church do you attend' sorts of questions for quite a while if at all. Almost as if everyone knows it's pretty personal and so why ask.

In contrast, "so, are you married?" is the first thing anyone says to me. Innocuous, right? Not really, and I have to immediately start making judgement calls about who they are and the consequences of anything I say.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
17. It really depends where you live
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 09:54 PM
Mar 2012

I think it really depends where you live. Here in Seattle, I'm almost never asked. Living in the south, though, I was quite frequently asked which church I attended. It's not even malicious or bigotted, I don't think. It seems to be just the way they use to peg you into a group so they know what you're about. They just have a hard time dealing with "none" as a response.

Disclaimer: experience with living in the south more than 25 years old. Things might have changed, but I don't think so.

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