Does the Clinton campaign actually think Chelsea is a draw for millennials?

[cali]

Do they think that young people struggling with student debt will identify with her? Seems out of touch to me.

[FreakinDJ]

1. Everything HRC's campaign does it out of touch

[reformist2]

34. I think their only plan was to create the illusion of inevitability, with endorsements and big $$$$.

Now that the illusion has been shattered, there's nothing there.

[Nyan]

54. That's right.

It was never about inevitability, but creating an illusion of inevitability. That's why the "pundits" wouldn't STFU about presumptive inevitable frontrunner that we're bleeding form our ears.

[bvf]

2. They must.

But really, they have little choice.

The alternative is to keep her in the background. Maybe she's the sort of entitled, petulant brat who wouldn't think twice about undercutting her mother, if not given some camera time.

[bettyellen]

12. "maybe she's the sort of entitled, petulant brat who wouldn't think twice about undercutting ...

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her mother,"


What the hell is your basis for this? Seriously trashy, after the crap that kid endured from Republicans growing up in the WH.
This shit is just as trashy. You must be proud.

[bvf]

14. If you're going to use quote marks,

use them correctly. Otherwise, it makes you look ignorant.

If you haven't noticed, she's not a kid any more. Now that she's speaking for her mom, she's officially in politics.

[bettyellen]

16. If you're going to slam Chelsea- maybe back it up with ANY evidence? Because right now-

this is pretty much blind hate. Ugly, is what it is. You don;t get that this is every bit as ugly as people going after Bernie's family or "hippie" roots? It is exactly as ugly- and has no basis in reality.

[bvf]

18. Fix your deliberate misquote of what I said

and apologize. Then we can talk, but before that, you're SOL.

[bettyellen]

21. your speculation that she is entitled, petulant brat is clarified....

so what exactly was it based on in terms of Chelsea's past behavior?

[Calista241]

26. How about how she graduated from Stanford

and her first job was as a management consultant for a prominent consulting firm, and made over $200K. Consultants usually have some kind of, you know, job history and credibility that they're providing to clients.

And after that miracle opportunity, she went to do puff pieces for NBC, and made over $600k a year?

I mean, i understand that she's a President's daughter, and she has capitalized on her name just like the Bush's and probably the Obamas will in the future. But still, i'm her age, and graduating into a $200k job that she knew absolutely nothing about just rubs me the wrong way.

[bettyellen]

29. so- no evidence of petulance or not thinking twice about undercutting her mother? Thought that

was completely fabricated on your part- and only bitterness that she makes a great salary? Okay.
So that was bizarre and unfounded speculation that is completely out of character with her public behavior so far, got it.

[litlbilly]

35. How about lying about Bernie's health care plan? that puts her in the game, sorry...

[bettyellen]

37. it has nothing to do with the statement about Chelsea- so you defend that lie?

Seriously?

[litlbilly]

39. People are entitled to their opinion and I believe that's what that was. She still lied about

Bernie's health care plan and she needs to be called out on that. If she, or you for that matter, can't take the heat, turn off
space heater.

[enid602]

51. different strokes. . .

So, Bernie's connection to the private sector consists of the odd carpentry job in Northern Vermont during the early '70's, between unemployment stints. What's your point?

[bvf]

36. Half way there. You still need to apologize.

And you should probably pay closer attention when responding. You seem a mite confused right now.

[bvf]

43. I'm embarrassed for *you.*

You clearly don't focus when responding.

Thanks for the good wishes, although seeing how your attention appears to wander, I suspect you probably thought you were talking to someone else.

We can talk more after you apologize for misquoting me.

[bettyellen]

45. you made shitty and unfounded speculations about Chelsea Clinton....there was nothing in my post

that was unclear about what you said. Keep playing the game though, cute.

[one_voice]

47. I know you can't respond,

just wanted to say I think that was a bullshit hide.

[fleur-de-lisa]

86. I think it was a bogus hide too . . .

And I'm a Bernie supporter.

[bvf]

49. Not since you went back and edited it.

You still owe me an apology though. Perhaps in another thread.

[sabrina 1]

59. And we defended her fiercely, all us common people who DON'T have the HC she has, we fought and

endured threats and personal attacs, in my case, threats of death as I'm sure others did NOW she emerges to tell us we don't have the right to the same HC SHE has.

She is a fully grown woman. Stop treating her as if she were a child. If ANYONE should be fighting for the same HC she and her parents have, and Congress has, and all the other elites who want to DENY the rest of us plebs, it should be Chelsea.

So sad to see her joining the Repubs who as you say, she certainly knows well, AGAINST those of us who stood up for HER.

Rush Limbaugh and she on the same page re our right to HC for all? Who would have thought?

This will most definitely backfire.

Whoever is being paid to run this campaign should be fired. Well, I would fire them. But then I support the person who supports ME and MY family who don't have the kind of privileges Chelsea has.

[Bjornsdotter]

3. I never thought of that

I'm the mom of two millennials...both are for Bernie.

[Warren DeMontague]

4. probably.

[winter is coming]

5. Possibly. All it really does is emphasize how out of touch the Clintons are with the 99%. n/t

[Scootaloo]

6. "Seems out of touch"

Antarctica seems a little chilly.

[LibDemAlways]

7. My 22-year-old daughter and her friends are Feelin the Bern.

They are new college grads struggling to find good jobs and pay back loans. No way can they identify with an entitled President's daughter who is married to a millionaire hedge fund manager.

[Kalidurga]

8. It appears that they do

My guess is she is more of a draw for establishment Democrats over 55.

[Oilwellian]

71. Chelsea's lie was directed toward that demographic

"Bernie Sanders wants to end Medicare" is a typical scare tactic right-wingers have used on senior citizens. That makes her lie all the more despicable and that's why we're rightfully pissed about it.

[Paulie]

9. Chelsea is a GenXer

Not the same as millennials at all.

[cali]

10. Right, born before 1982, but the campaign is using her to appeal to millennials

[bettyellen]

17. Link please?

[cali]

19. It's right in wiki

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials

[bettyellen]

22. LOL @ Wiki sourcing. chelsea and clinton both "not found" in article. tks for nothing!

[cali]

24. Huh.? What are you going on about. All I claimed is that 1982 is generally

accepted as the first year millenials were born in.

[bettyellen]

25. "her campaign is using her to appeal to millennials" - Cilly claim.

[cali]

27. That is self-evident.

[bettyellen]

30. Ahh, you made it up. Newsflash for you Cilly- every Dem is hoping to court the millennials.

[cali]

69. Nope, botty. Here you go

<snip>
And Chelsea Clinton -- seen as an asset with younger voters and students -- will become a more prominent voice in the campaign as well. The former first daughter headlined a fundraiser with her mother Thursday in New York, will headline two more in Boston in January and plans to start traveling to early nominating states like Iowa and New Hampshire early in 2016.

<<snip>
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/hillary-clinton-young-voters-millennials/

Have some more.

snip

Chelsea Clinton is seen as an asset to the campaign, especially with younger voters and students. The former first daughter played a sizable role in her mother's failed 2008 campaign, regularly stumping for her mother in important primary and caucus states, usually at colleges and universities.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/15/politics/chelsea-clinton-hillary-clinton-campaign/

[SheilaT]

44. Yep. She's not a Millenial.

Apparently the designation of GenX has totally disappeared, and both GenX and actual Millennials have been subsumed under the term Millennial.

There really is an enormous difference between the two generations.

For those of you who have a bit of time on your hands, I recommend the book "Generations" by William Strauss and Neill Howe. It is absolutely transformational in understanding the nature of different generations, how they experience history, how they behave through their life cycle, and how they influence history. Please, please read it.

[senz]

57. Thank you, that sounds very interesting.

[SheilaT]

60. It is incredibly interesting.

Not a short book, but well worth taking the time to read.

[senz]

61. I looked it up on Amazon and also found another book by the same authors

that Thom Hartmann and one of his guests were raving about a year or so ago: The Fourth Turning http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0767900464

Both of them do look like good reads. I see they also have a couple of books on the subject of millennials.

[SheilaT]

64. Yep. Equally good.

While I would strongly recommend reading "Generations" first, because it gives a wonderfully detailed overview of their entire theory, if you only read "The Fourth Turning" you'll still get a lot.

I've been plugging this book for years here on DU, and I'm yet to have anyone pipe up and say they've also read it. For me it was a transformational book. I am now very inclined to view a lot of things through that lens, and it has a profound affect on how I see lots of things.

Hope you read at least one of them.

[senz]

66. Great, now I really want to.

I love finding new lenses through which to understand life's complexities.

Thanks, Sheila.

[senz]

55. I'm glad you said that, because there is something distinct about millennials

that Chelsea doesn't have. No I can't quite put my finger on it, but it's almost always present. Sort of an open, confident friendliness that is also strangely smooth and bland. They seem perfectly comfortable with and accepting of older people. I've often thought that it reflects well on their parents. I've also wondered if it arises partly from their immersion in electronic communication devices.

My generation, boomers, were far less friendly to older people. We may have been polite with them but we weren't really comfortable around them. We had a saying, "Don't trust anyone over 30." I can't imagine millennials saying that. We tended to rebel.

I have a sense that millennials may have developed the traits they're going to need as they face what I consider a rather horrible future that they had no hand in creating but that they will have to deal with.

I think they're a special generation, and "the fate of the earth" may well rest in their hands someday.

[Doctor_J]

11. most Sanders supporters dislike Hillary because of her constant lying. having her rich daughter

join in with lies is unlikely to sway many voters.

[bettyellen]

13. Is that from Breibart - or the Global Health summit she spoke at last year? The nerve of her!!

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For shame- right?

"The 35-year old esteemed philanthropist touched on ways to engage millennials to be passionate about bringing new ideas as well as technology and innovation to the poorest regions of the world, one of which is expanding the rights and opportunities offered to women and girls.
"I'm obsessed with middle school," Clinton admitted.
Clinton noted that girls in first through third grade are far better at math and science than boys their age, yet the trends start to reverse at around the fourth grade and continue to widen in middle school. She cited the reason for this is that girls around that age start to care more about their appearance, but mainly because teachers in middle school call on males more than females in science and math class."



http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/chelsea-clintons-vision-for-global-health-and-millennial-engagement/ar-AAfaGeb

[delrem]

62. Chelsea Clinton is an "esteemed philanthropist"?

What kind of rabbit hole did I fall down, anyway?

It's not even amusing like in the Alice tales.

It's just disgusting shit and I want out!

[Armstead]

15. I have no problem with that...BUT sending out with lies...

Is less than admirable.

And hopefully millenia will see through that schtick.

[Uncle Joe]

20. Hillary thinks a young face will draw young voters, instead of the message.

Clueless doesn't begin to describe it.

Thanks for the thread, cali.

[artislife]

23. Lets just talk about how Chelsea stumped.

She does not have the Big Dawg's talent. I felt slightly bad for her, she didn't seem authentic, stage ready and/ or practiced. I now know with conviction, she will never be elected president in the future.

Oh, what she said...so not cool.

[notadmblnd]

42. I thought her cadence resembled her mother's

Which comes across as disingenuous to me. It sounds scripted and rehearsed. Badly rehearsed

[senz]

56. Yes, I thought she'd picked up her mother's vocal tones too

which is unfortunate. I have always felt a little sorry for Chelsea; I don't think she'd have chosen the life she's been given, even if it did turn out to be grandly posh and privileged. I get the sense that she has always been under someone's thumb psychologically. She never seemed to go out on her own and discover herself. Maybe she will someday.

[notadmblnd]

68. You may be right. I noticed that she bites her nails down to the quick

nervous habit?

[senz]

74. This is sad.

I'll bet their friends sense it.

My opinion of her mother, which has very low since the 2008 campaign, just dipped into new territory. It begins to make sense of the woman's war-mongering bent.

I hope, hope, hope we do not end up with her as president.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

77. No, she has no "stage personality" - that's for sure

Most people don't, but it sure helps in politics, especially for someone trying to appeal to younger voters.

I suspect that she's a very nice young woman, but her on-camera persona is just plain dull.

[artislife]

80. I agree.

She suspect she is very loving but not cut out for this political world.

[Tommy2Tone]

28. It's not ratings here. Millennials will not elect the next president.

[bettyellen]

31. Every Dem wishes they would get off their asses, but the young rarely do.

And suddenly next year, it'll be a *shock* the youth of America didn't vote again. LOL.

[Tommy2Tone]

32. Exactly

[bettyellen]

33. Every report everywhere is about appealing to the Millenials- they are bigger than Boomers,blah blah

I remember reading about six months ago that things like their Global Health initiative would fit in with millennials' interests. OMG- it was all a plot to "get them" , all this women's health care stuff! A plot I tell you!

[litlbilly]

38. Where do you people come from. Do you all hudle together and come up with this shit?

[roguevalley]

53. they do.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

81. Wanna bet? The largest state in the union will be voting for full legalization of marijuana.

I win.

[Douglas Carpenter]

40. about as much a draw as Debbie Wasserman-Schultz or Marie Antoinette

[silvershadow]

46. They were actually hoping she could be part of the cover story. Unfortunately for them,

there is no cover story they can concoct that will can cover a runaway train. Her services, though admirable, will not make a dent.

[zentrum]

48. Yup.

That's exactly what they're thinking.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

52. Betcha Chelsea has a pair of shoes that cost more than some millennials make in a month.

[zentrum]

65. Many pairs.

And don't forget, she and husband recently bought a 10M condo in NYC—after first selling her old 4M dollar condo. That's more than a bundle of millennials will make in an entire lifetime.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

67. She understands the plight of the homeless....

She was in escrow for a while.

[senz]

73. LOL

you are so hilarious! Whenever it seemed like I was going to lapse into a bout of self-pity, my ex-husband would throw out a one-liner like that. Took care of the mood perfectly!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

78. ;-)

[Peregrine Took]

79. I can just see Chelsea and her BFF, Ivanka, shopping at Neiman's now.....n/t

http://forward.com/the-assimilator/329259/ivanka-trump-chelsea-clinton-declare-election-2016-truce/

[Spitfire of ATJ]

82. They'd go to Barneys.

[fbc]

50. For some reason they think Lena Dunham is, so maybe?

[Betty Karlson]

58. Chelsea, like the rest of the Clinton campaign, is out of touch.

They think we care about "someone we can relate to". Trotting out Chelsea is like that awkward tweet "why Hillary is like your Latin grandmother": tone-deaf and missing the mark by a mile.

It is about the issues.

[Ichingcarpenter]

63. Does the Clinton campaign actually think Chelsea is a draw for millionaires?

Which would be a yes for hedge fund owners




There .... I fixed your headline

[randome]

70. Huh? You have a problem with Chelsea campaigning for her mother?

Who said her primary goal is to attract millennials?
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[cali]

72. No. I have no problem with that.

[Beacool]

75. If a portion of Sanders' supporters spent as much energy going after Republicans

as they do bashing fellow Democrats, this site would be a lot more civil, instead of the cesspool that it has become.

[Nay]

84. I can only speak for myself, of course, but Democrats really only have

influence over which Democratic candidate becomes the nominee. We have no influence over which crazy pub candidate the crazy pub voters vote for. In fact, if we really show a bunch of public hate for a certain pub, you can bet that their addled voters will make sure to vote for that person.

Now, most Democrats on this site are happy to slam Republicans generally for being the idiots/assholes/crazies/fascists they are, but to most of us it's obvious and really doesn't need much discussion or reaction, since our 'energy' against pubs will have no effect of whether one of them is elected President or not. Our energy should be directed at electing the best Democratic candidate, and thus there will be, and should be, many discussions about what our Democratic candidates say, do, and write. Especially before the primaries.

As far as civility is concerned, I don't think that pointing out that Ms Clinton's sneaky health care statements slamming Bernie are incorrect is being uncivil. Her comments were incorrect by omission, a tactic that is a hallmark of politicians who wish to manipulate the emotions of their electorate rather than educate that electorate. Many, many democrats on this site and others have declared their discomfort with any Democratic nominee using this sort of tactic, but Ms Clinton does not seem to understand that. It's not surprising that many of us feel uneasy about her possible nomination and want to discuss it.

[Beacool]

85. I was referring to the general tone of this board.

By the same token that some of you have misgivings about Hillary, there are those of us who have misgivings about Sanders. I think that he's sincere in what he believes, but I also think that he won't be able to enact most of his plans if he were to become president. Obama used to talk about wanting to be transformational (remember when he said that Reagan had been transformational in ways that Clinton had not?). He's been a middle of the road president, who despite his moderate policies, has been viciously attacked and hindered by Congress. How is Sanders going to implement even a portion of his agenda when Congress is more conservative now than when Obama became president? To me Sanders is a one note candidate, I think that Hillary is far more rounded and would be a more effective president. I also have doubts about anyone starting his presidency at the age of 75. IMO that's too old. I felt the same about Biden. Hillary at 69 is also pushing the envelope, but at least she would be Reagan's same age and women live longer (her mother was still sharp until her early 90s).

We are all entitled to our opinions, but there's a way to express them that is polite and doesn't use RW talking points.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

88. Do you honestly believe the Republicans are going to work with the Clintons?

They've probably already lined up to see who can be on the impeachment hearings.

[Beacool]

90. I think that Hillary is a pragmatist and would work hard to find common ground.

Just as she did in her years in the Senate. I think that Sanders is more dogmatic. Congress will never approve the 18 trillion dollars in new spending that he calculates he would need to implement his proposals.

"Sanders’ spending plan would require an estimated $15 trillion for a government-run, universal healthcare system. Tens of billions more would be spent on infrastructure, a Social Security expansion and free tuition at public colleges. “One of the demands of my campaign is that we think big and not small,” Sanders recently said in a speech to the Democratic National Committee."

http://www.alan.com/2015/09/15/report-sanders-wants-18-trillion-in-new-spending/#

If Obama had trouble getting his modest, by comparison, agenda passed when Democrats held both Houses of Congress. How would Sanders ever get anything from a very conservative House and a Republican Senate?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

91. You DO know that figure has been debunked. Right?

[Beacool]

93. No, I didn't.

The original article was from the WSJ.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

94. And that didn't raise any red flags for you?

[Metric System]

89. +1000

[HassleCat]

76. She probably is

Most people are attracted to others who they perceive to be like themselves. Chelsea Clinton grew up as the new millennium was turning over, so she can talk the talk. She has some celebrity status, which goes a long way in the age of TV and People Magazine.

[Ferd Berfel]

83. But Sh's the Royal Princess

All millennials have to fawn over Princess Chelsea

[Yupy]

87. They are desperate...Clintons even daughter can't bring younger voters, because they know better!

[silenttigersong]

92. The Clintons

are" Dead Broke"in comparrison of who they like to roll with