CNN’s Van Jones: Democratic Base in ‘Full-on Rebellion’ Against Hillary Clinton

[cali]

Former Obama advisor and CNN contributor Van Jones said Tuesday that we are witnessing a “full-on rebellion” within the Democratic Party against Hillary Clinton, predicting that Bernie Sanders would win the first two primary states.

Jones made the comments after New Day host Alisyn Camerota pointed out that polls show Clinton possibly losing in both Iowa and New Hampshire. Jones urged restraint, pointing out that Bill Clinton also lost New Hampshire and Iowa in his 1992 presidential run and went on to win.

“But something extraordinary is happening here; there is a full-on rebellion at the grassroots level of the Democratic Party,” he said. “MoveOn.org, or biggest progressive organization, endorsed Bernie Sanders last night. Overwhelmingly, 67%.”

<snip>

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-van-jones-democratic-base-in-full-on-rebellion-against-hillary-clinton/

Actually, MoveOn endorsed him with 78% of the vote.

[uponit7771]

1. No its not

[cali]

2. Lol. Evidence says you are wrong.

[uponit7771]

3. Moveon != whole "dem base"

[Motown_Johnny]

7. it is a reasonable sampling, along with union members....

Bernie has won 5 union endorsements because the members voted for who they wanted. Hillary, zero.

[uponit7771]

11. Nopers, 85% of democrats have favorable opinion of HRC. More HRC hatred from Jones

[Motown_Johnny]

13. Link?

You really need to learn how to include things like links in your posts.

All you ever do is type out things that you want to be true and expect everyone to believe them. I don't.

[uponit7771]

14. Sorry, its 84% (link, along with reality outside of DU:S bubble, inside)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/13/poll-views-of-trump-carson-and-bush-dim-as-christie-and-cruz-rise/

[Divernan]

16. That's 84% for BILL; Hill is 49%UNFAVORABLE; 48% favorable

Bernie is 44% favorable; 40% unfavorable.

Bottom line, Bill is far more likeable than his wife - which has always been the case.
And Hillary has higher UNFAVORABLE rating than Bernie.

[SoapBox]

24. Of that 84-85% of Dems nationally for Hill...

They sure as fuck didn't ask my opinion! Anyone else have their opinion asked?

All that blowing about her national numbers, of Dems, is the next number to fail...there has been a consistent babbling about those numbers but they're bullshit and don't seriously reflect her lack of support.

The Entrenched Establishment keeps trying and trying to gin up everything for her but it's not gonna work.

And what about polls nationally amongst ALL voters...there is a lot of Hill dislike out there and is being totally ignored.

[roguevalley]

48. oh god. Disproving one poll by using another. what a pathetic thing. They don't even see

themselves when they use a name recognition popularity poll to prove that a poll that shows Bernie wiping up the floor with HRC is not a good poll. Upside down world over there.

[sabrina 1]

209. Didn't ask for mine either. Nor anyone in my circle of family or friends some of whom still have

nostalgic attachment to the Clintons and want a woman, but they are not strong in their support due to too many issues they do not agree with Hillary on. But if polled, they would probably say 'favorable' and yet, I believe they will end up voting for Bernie.

Everyone else I know, is for Bernie

[passiveporcupine]

50. Isn't it funny

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now it's not just DU that has a weird Bernie bubble, that is out of sync with reality...but move-on does too? Cool story Bro!

[Motown_Johnny]

60. Don't forget all the union members who voted to endorse him.

God knows that people working union jobs are just in a bubble. No contact with reality at all.




For the sarcasm impaired >>----->

[madaboutharry]

151. Che with a Bernie shirt...

priceless!

[Still In Wisconsin]

101. Hillary fans: "It's a flesh wound"

[uponit7771]

119. Tis is NOT a scratch of Bern Victims: "... Hillary Clinton more liked..." (inside link)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/13/poll-views-of-trump-carson-and-bush-dim-as-christie-and-cruz-rise/

[padfun]

160. your own link says opposite

Integrity is an important part of a persons id. You should be careful about misleading online. The evidence never disappears.

[uponit7771]

180. Please quote the link stating opposite of what I posted... tia

[tazkcmo]

102. lol n/t

[Gene Debs]

20. I figure it's only a matter of time before a new poll shows Hillary Clinton's

favorable rating at 128%.

[roguevalley]

49. BWAHAHAHA! Good one, Gene Debs. Love the moniker by the way and welcome aboard the Primary

trainwreck express.

[fleur-de-lisa]

73. Ha ha!

[appalachiablue]

112. +1

[uponit7771]

120. Or at 84% liked?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/13/poll-views-of-trump-carson-and-bush-dim-as-christie-and-cruz-rise/

[Lordquinton]

127. 48% please fix your error

a simple numerical reversal is all.

[uponit7771]

181. Nope it's in the middle of the page...58% favorable for Sanders.. 84% for hrc

[Lordquinton]

210. Nope, you are wrong, 100% wrong in fact.

that 84% is for Bill Clinton, Hillary is at 48%

[uponit7771]

211. OMG...

Clinton continues to receive overwhelmingly positive ratings from Democrats nationally, with 84 percent rating her favorably and 15 percent unfavorably — almost identical to her 83-14 split in November. Sanders is rated positively by a 58-31 margin — also very similar to a 54-25 margin in the previous survey.

Bill Clinton is NOT a her!!

Dems overall do NOT feel the same way about Hillary that republicans do

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/13/poll-views-of-trump-carson-and-bush-dim-as-christie-and-cruz-rise/

[Lordquinton]

212. It does say that in the article

but reading the actual poll, there is no indication of how they got to that number, they're analysis does not add up.

So, 44-48 it is.

[uponit7771]

213. Even reading the article the numbers are RIGHT THERE 84% for HRC 58% for SBS

... and the polling chart is in the middle of the page too!!!

[Lordquinton]

215. How did they get that from the poll?

I read the actual poll and those numbers are nowhere.

[padfun]

162. Have you looked at your own link?

Seriously?

[uponit7771]

214. Yeap, in the middle of the page... 85% of dems favorable towards HRC 58% Favorable towards SBS

I don't know how to make it more plain...

Democrats overall don't hate HRC the way republicans do

[Ichingcarpenter]

26. Is that you Chelsea? Getting your facts wrong again?

As others pointed out you misrepresented the facts.

[PatrynXX]

38. 85 %? link?

sheesh She has the highest disapproval of anyone ever running for President. It would be unlikely she'd win in November. It would be John Kerry all over again

[uponit7771]

121. Yeap, its 84%

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/13/poll-views-of-trump-carson-and-bush-dim-as-christie-and-cruz-rise/

[Lordquinton]

128. 48%, please fix the error

Easy mistake to make.

[Betty Karlson]

80. New polls says:

66 % trusts her, versus 29 % doesn't trust her.

Your figures have been overtaken by a shift in the grassroots' mood.

[CorporatistNation]

107. Total Bloviation Without a Scintilla Of Empirical Validation To Be Found Anywhere To Substantiate!

85%? Maybe 15 years ago... Not now... Need crossover Repubs and Indys to win GE and the only crossover she has is those who would make a supreme effort to come out and vote against her... Not being negative just pointing out the current environment.

[uponit7771]

122. Link posted in this thread multiple times (link inside)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/13/poll-views-of-trump-carson-and-bush-dim-as-christie-and-cruz-rise/

[caraher]

152. And described wrongly every time

48%, not 84%

[rhett o rick]

110. Funny how all progressives don't favor HRC. And yet some try to say she is progressive. nm

[uponit7771]

123. HRC more liked among dems nationaly

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/13/poll-views-of-trump-carson-and-bush-dim-as-christie-and-cruz-rise/

Clinton better-liked among Democrats nationally
Q: Overall, do you have a favorable or unfavorable impression of... (Results among self-identified Democrats)

Clinton84%
Favorable15% UnfavorableSanders5831
Source: Washington Post-ABC News poll Jan. 6-10

THE WASHINGTON POST

[rhett o rick]

165. Clinton is favored by the big money. That should be a clue. nm

[uponit7771]

178. 84% of dems are big money?

[rhett o rick]

179. Big Money favors Clinton. Ironically Citizens United is helping her. nm

[pnwmom]

31. Right. Since African Americans, Latinos, and older people aren't part of the base.

[Motown_Johnny]

51. Are you saying they are not in Moveon.org or are union members?

If so, please provide some evidence of that.


It is my opinion that the actual votes cast from Moveon and Union members are a reasonable sampling of the Democratic base and I stand by that assertion.

[pnwmom]

63. It's my opinion that all those groups comprise much greater proportions

of the Democratic party than they do of Moveon.org.

And that's obvious by their numbers. The vast percentage of them already supported Bernie -- before the endorsement. OTOH, polls show that similar numbers of minority voters support Hillary.

So, yeah, Moveon is the "base" as long as you leave out African Americans, Latinos, and people over 50.

[CoffeeCat]

35. Actually, no

Hillary has the support of the top union brass in those unions. Not the support of the people, the workers.

Do you know that the AFGE (Union For Government Employees) is up in arms because their top executives went ahead and endorsed Hillary Clinton without having a full-member vote? They are beginning to conduct their own votes in their local unions, and they will release the results of these votes to the public. Bernie is winning by 80 percent in these votes.

So typical of the Clinton camp. Tout trophies that mean nothing. Meanwhile, behind the scenes--the workers do not support her.

[Motown_Johnny]

47. I said "members" and pointed out the 5-0 endorsements from union member votes.

I think we agree here.

Either I phrased my thought very poorly or you misread my post.

[GoneFishin]

94. It's typical for her to court the gatekeepers and figure heads without addressing the needs of

the rank and file.

[Beacool]

72. No, it isn't.

MoveOn does not represent the entirety of the Democratic base, only it's Left Wing.

[Motown_Johnny]

74. I said "Along with the union members".

Besides, who is more likely to vote in the Democratic primaries? People who belong to MoveOn or those who don't?

[Lordquinton]

129. Um, the left wing of the Democratic party?

So Hillary has the right wing?

You didn't think this through, did you?

[LovingA2andMI]

135. Aren't Democrats...

The Left Wing? Did that change as of recently? Do tell.....

[INdemo]

155. Question for you?

Is it ok to pick your nose if not in public?





Now that made about as much sense as your post.......

[passiveporcupine]

45. Where in the OP does anyone say move-on represents the whole dem base?

A little hyperbole, perhaps?

[lewebley3]

22. I am in Dem base, and think Sanders not qualified to be President: Like many Dem's

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Van Jones had to resign in disgrace from the Obama Adm.

He is not the Dem base!

[TheFarseer]

46. If Sanders is not qualified

Then Obama is REALLY not qualified. Bernie has been in Congress forever. What are you talking about?

[roguevalley]

52. Van Jones didn't resign in disgrace. Obama threw him under the bus to appease the fuckers.

Van Jones is one of my heroes.

[haikugal]

61. Thank you, mine too! nt

[Akamai]

97. One of my heroes too! Speaking truth to power and

doing so with a smile.

Seems a very knowledgeable person, willing to take on anyone, and the facts are on his side.

[Enthusiast]

137. Van Jones was the best dude in the Obama Administration.

Obama should have made Van Jones the Attorney General and put Eric Holder in charge of ACORN.

[d_legendary1]

167. Van Jones believes Republicans are

assholes! He's okay in my book!

[lewebley3]

173. You got that right Sanders was in congress forever accomplishing nothing

Obama is ten times leader Obama is : Obama did not sit out
the fight on national stage until he was 72.

Obama took risks, he worked in the Illinois house, he helped
run winning senate campaign against a real difficult opponent.

Obama ten times smarter and more talented that Sander will
ever dream of being

Sanders is nice dotery old man he, is not suited for the Presidency

He is talker that has never gotten things done

[PyaarRevolution]

193. Interesting....

Didn't Obama abstain from many votes on the Senate so as to avoid negative campaign ads on certain issues?

[lewebley3]

194. Sanders is not abstaining from negative campaigning: He is just hot air

[DisgustipatedinCA]

53. Why was Van Jones pushed out of the White House? And I'd like a TRUE answer.

[tazkcmo]

104. Oh, it's you!

You're just too CUTE!

[BeanMusical]

131. Lol!

And entertaining too.

[pangaia]

201. LOL!!

[rhett o rick]

111. He was asked to resign because he was too progressive for the Obama administration that favored

people like Rahmbo.

[lewebley3]

169. Nice try he had to leave because he did bad job for Obama

[rhett o rick]

177. You are exactly correct. He represented the People and the Obama admin did not like that.

Almost all of the people Obama appointed were conservatives for a reason.

[JDPriestly]

116. Van Jones can't resign in disgrace from the Obama Administration.

Maybe a little googling will explain why.

It's always nice when we know what we are talking about before we post.

[Enthusiast]

134. Van Jones had to resign from the Obama Administration in disgrace?

I don't think so.

If you don't think Bernie is qualified to be president you need to reevaluate your thinking.

You don't sound like someone in the Democratic base.

[LovingA2andMI]

136. No Not At All....

You don't sound like someone in the Democratic base.

Things that make one go ummmm.....

[DhhD]

154. Jones resigned himself from the third way, Centerist, New Democrat, right of 2008 Campaign Promises.

[lewebley3]

168. He had to leave Obama or Obama was going to kick him out

[Bohunk68]

157. Just in case you do not know it, since you used future tense rather than past tense,

Mr. Jones has not worked for the Admin in years. Disgrace? Seriously?

[lewebley3]

175. Obama told to him get out! Thanks for the correction

[rhett o rick]

109. The poster you are responding to didn't have an opportunity to get much posted because they

broke the record and responded within 1 min. to your OP. Do you realize how dedicated one must be to get that fast of response? One has to keep refreshing the new posts ever 15 to 30 seconds to get that kind of a jump. It's one of the tactics that comes from their Think Tank.

[Motown_Johnny]

6. Bwahahaha!

Yes it is.

[uponit7771]

12. Nopers, 85% of democrats have favorable opinion of HRC... facts matter

[DisgustipatedinCA]

18. Facts matter, but you can't get them right. 85% refers to BILL CLINTON. Facts matter.

[Go Vols]

36. Yes,facts matter

Hillary Clinton Favorable Rating
Updated about 6 hours ago

Unfavorable 51.0%
Favorable 44.4%

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

[roguevalley]

54. so ... you're using a POLL to disprove another POLL because SOMEHOW YOUR POLL

is right and the other one isn't? Is that all ya got?

[Go Vols]

58. Yes that's it,

Hillary is not at 85% favorability,and no poll shows that.

[uponit7771]

124. This is false, its halfway down the page... text inside

Clinton better-liked among Democrats nationally

Q: Overall, do you have a favorable or unfavorable impression of... (Results among self-identified Democrats)
020406080Clinton84% Favorable15% UnfavorableSanders5831
Source: Washington Post-ABC News poll Jan. 6-10
THE WASHINGTON POST

[lewebley3]

23. Agreed: I think the Sanders is starting running a very negative campaign

[pangaia]

32. Oh !!

Really?

[PatrynXX]

39. up against lying yeah that won't work.

think he'll sit this f*ck up out and let it settle out that Trump and Hillary are now playing under the same playbook smh

[LovingA2andMI]

138. Sounds Like The PUMA's

Might be back here. Tactic: Outright lying about a Candidate that Challenging Strongly Hillary Clinton: See Deja Vu, 2008.

Amazing how things never change......

[mhatrw]

78. Is that you, Chelsea? nt

[cui bono]

90. BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

omg that is pure comedy gold.

You actually dared say that the day after Hillary is called out my major mainstream news organizations for her and her daughter's LIES about Sanders' policy plans. And on the SAME day that she DOUBLED DOWN on those LIES.

Do you realize how much you look like a troll when you keep spouting things that are so clearly and obviously incorrect?

.

[Enthusiast]

139. I have come to the conclusion that the problem is your "thinking".

Your thinking is flawed. You come to incorrect conclusions.

[lewebley3]

172. Sander is turning out be talking out of two sides of his mouth

[Gene Debs]

19. Your thoroughly detailed and reasoned response convinced me. Nah! Just kidding.

[uponit7771]

125. Link inside: Nationally Clinton is more liked

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/13/poll-views-of-trump-carson-and-bush-dim-as-christie-and-cruz-rise/

Land link and cellular results halfway down the page

[padfun]

163. So now you're talking about Bill?

Do you even read your links?

[uponit7771]

189. Nope poll halfway down page is not related to bill

[Deny and Shred]

57. All Is Well !!!

[Joe the Revelator]

92. Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up. nt

[Nonhlanhla]

4. That's a bit of an overstatement

If by "Democratic base" you mean mostly white, mostly male progressives, with some (often younger) women and some people of color added, then yes. But the Democratic base includes women and people of color in much larger numbers than that, and those demographics generally lean towards Hillary.

I'm not trying to deny Bernie's recent surge in the first two primary states. But the gender gap in Iowa, for example, and the large African-American support for Hillary in more diverse states, sketch a more complex picture of the base than what Van Jones suggests.

[Fawke Em]

5. I keep hearing Clinton fans say that, but I'm not seeing that

evidence except in corporate polling.

I am an "older" woman who lives in a Southern state. Most of the people working on Sanders' campaigns in Tennessee, Alabama and South Carolina are older women and young people of both genders and all colors.

This "BernieBro" meme is about to outlive its usefulness.

[aesop55]

44. Same here in N.C. n/t

[stillwaiting]

81. Welcome to DU! nt

[yuiyoshida]

108. Welcome to DU!!

[OnionPatch]

71. Same here.

Except were scattered all over the country, not just the south. The old, white women in my family are supporting Bernie. So are the old white men for that matter. And the younger folks. I can't actually think of one of us who wants Hillary over Bernie. And there are a lot of us. Guess we're all just outliers.

[Enthusiast]

141. Exactly. Bernie has universal appeal. And for good reason.

[eridani]

143. That's my experience too. Sanders volunteers seem to be grandparents and--

--their grandchildren. Granted, people in the middle are much more busy with work and child care.

[tblue37]

176. I am a white female/65/midwest--& a strong Sanders supporter. nt

[Motown_Johnny]

9. Why the Nation's Nurses are Supporting Bernie Sanders for President

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rose-ann-demoro/why-the-nations-nurses-ar_b_7979948.html

^snip^

Posted: 08/12/2015 7:57 pm EDT

The more than 100,000 people who have jammed into arenas in Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle, Phoenix, Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, Madison and other cities should be a wake up call for anyone still on the sidelines in the critical 2016 election campaign.

National Nurses United, I'm proud to say, has endorsed Senator Bernie Sanders for many of the same reasons that have brought those 100,000 people to their feet.

Bernie Sanders aligns perfectly with nurses on the most critical problems facing our nation, from income inequality to guaranteeing healthcare to all to holding Wall Street and corporations to account to opening the doors to college education for everyone to racial justice to the climate crisis.

Those are the same issues that animate nurses when we talk about voting for nurses' values -- caring, compassion and community to heal America.

[roguevalley]

56. I'm an old lady feminist from the way back who is a berner and so are a number of young women

up here in nowhere ville. Even in the boonies, its easy to spot liars and buffoons.

[Blue_In_AK]

83. This old lady feminist up here in the boonies

agrees with you.

[roguevalley]

87. BLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

[Feeling the Bern]

103. This hillbilly raised in the Catskills boonies agrees completely

BERNIE!!! BERNIE!!! BERNIE!!!!

[appalachiablue]

114. Never saw or heard of hillbilly and Catskills.That's real cool.

[Feeling the Bern]

126. We have hillbillies, woodchucks and rednecks in denial in the Catskills, especially northern

Sullivan and all of Delaware Counties.

[appalachiablue]

159. A pretty area I've seen a little of around the Hudson River area when my brother and

sister lived in NYC, and from studying the school of painters there. Mom loved the Dutch culture and visited the region from NYC where she lived and worked during the war. The 'Kaatskils' as you know are the NE part of the Allegheny and Appalachian plateau. A couple friends in Maryland married 2 brothers (of 5 !) from that part of New York state. The guys are a trip, good land surveyors and love to party and ride motorcycles. Friends from the Pacific NW believe all rednecks and hillbillies are from the south, or lower Appalachia. Can't change them.

[pangaia]

202. Wow. I played all those resorts in the summers when I was in HS and college--

Grossingers, Kutchsers, Swan Lake Mansion.. et al.. top to bottom..

Liberty Diner forever !!

[Feeling the Bern]

204. I knew Mark Kutcher personal. He was a slime, just like his worthless kids I went to school with

in Monticello before I moved to the northern part of the county.

The Imperial in Swan Lake, Grossinger's, Brown's. . .all gone.

The Concord is being remodeled into a modern resort/convention center on Kiamesha Lake.

Liberty Diner is still there, as is the "Famous" Roscoe Diner, which employed most of my classmates.

Unfortunately, El Monaco's is gone. Best. Pizza. Ever!

[pangaia]

206. Too COOL.

I lived in Teaneck, NJ then...I live up near rochester now and drive to the city upon occasion... Roscoe Diner,, ah yes, I still stop there. Before the new Route 17 nee 86 went in, there was often a speed trap in roscoe.. on the old rt Rt 17. :&gt )

HUGE portions of lox at Liberty Diner....!!

Oh yes, the Concord....forgot that one..
So many small ones.. I forget all the names...I played my first ( and only ) stripper at Swan Lake.I was like-- 17 or so! ( Now, you ladies, please don't be offended, but it was what it was.)

Didn't play for any of the big names= like Jerry Lewis, etc... but...

Small world..

[Divernan]

15. Women 18-35 prefer Sanders by 20% over HRC (Rolling Stone)

Voting-age women under the age of 35 now favor Sanders by 20 percentage points over Clinton. You read that right: Young female voters support Bernie Sanders by an expansive margin.

Move Over 'Berniebros': A Wave of Young Women Is Boosting Bernie Sanders
Yes, there's a big gender gap among young voters backing Sanders, but it's not among men

For anyone who has worked the crowd at a Sanders rally on a college campus, these results are not entirely surprising. At a rally at George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia, last October, by far the most enthusiastic Sanders supporters I met were young women. A 19-year-old African-American freshman named Aiyha Abdelbagi — who wore a light-blue hijab and pink Bernie '16 button to the rally — gave a typical answer when asked why she was supporting Sanders: "He's for the people, especially college students and African-Americans," she told me. "His answer on the Black Lives Matter question at the [first] Democratic debate put me on board, confirmed everything for me."

When I pressed Abdelbagi on why she hadn't cottoned to Clinton, she shot me a smile. "Just because I’m a girl?" she said. "Just because she [Clinton] is a girl doesn’t mean I’m going to support her. Nope, not at all. That's not what feminism is about."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/move-over-berniebros-a-wave-of-young-women-is-boosting-bernie-sanders-20160112

[lewebley3]

25. Agreed: Go Hillary: Just say no to Sanders socialism, lack of qualifications

Sanders has never accomplished anything but getting himself
over and over again, for rich white people in a very small
state.

[dorkzilla]

27. Aw, that’s adorable.

Socialism and lack of qualifications.

[lewebley3]

28. Just truth: Sanders has never accomplished anything in Senate

[dorkzilla]

29. That’s been debunked so many times it’s mind-numbing it’s still being used

And no, I’m not going to “link” it...you’re clearly impervious to facts. I would expect DUers to be more informed than that.

SOCIALISM!!!!!!!! LOL!!!

[ms liberty]

43. I always think of that scene in Bulworth

Where he's rapping with Halle Berry and her friends, and turns to the camera and wiggles his fingers while he says Socialism! LOL

[Lordquinton]

130. I love that scene

Tried to find it on youtube, but never any luck.

[a2liberal]

84. in fact I have tried that already

Just as you say, no response of any substance, just one of his trademark one-liners that say what he wants to believe with not even an attempt at backing it up.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251894044#post24

[dorkzilla]

88. I’m sure we’ve all given it a whack at one point :)

Reminds me of one poster in particular who only seems to respond by posting pre-made memes. Nothing of substance, not even a clever one liner. Or the other one whose only witty rejoinder is the ROTFL smilie. And GUESS who they all support?

Sometimes people need to repeat the same shit day in day out because they’re trying to convince themselves, not other people.

[tularetom]

144. His odd phrasing and goofy sentence structure has convinced me he could only be

Yoda.

[dorkzilla]

146. Holy shit you’re right!

LOL!!!

[Art_from_Ark]

200. Yoda! Yo-yo-yo-yo-yoda! Yo-yo-yo-yo-yoda!

[Enthusiast]

142. Are you here for our entertainment?

[lewebley3]

174. Just the truth: Go Hillary

[Ed Suspicious]

33. Truly.

[Katashi_itto]

34. Cool Story Bro!

[Lancero]

41. "never accomplished anything..."

Huh, coulda swore the Republicans used that as a attack against Obama during 08...

And we all know of the incidents where they decided to attack him over being a 'socialist'.

Deciding to borrow from their playbook now?

[Motown_Johnny]

59. Quoting Nancy Reagan.. nice.

I think all the veterans helped by the bill he co-authored last year would disagree with you.

Also all the families of people killed in Iraq may have a similar opinion of Hillary.

[Betty Karlson]

82. Newsflash: among millennials, socialism is no longer a bogeyman word.

Maybe you and the Clinton campaign would like to join the 21st century?

[dorkzilla]

89. Hey I’m 50 and it doesn’t work on me either

I think the demise of the socialist bogey man started with us GenXers and it was the gift we gave the next generations. It doesn’t work on us any more. Not thinking people anyway.

[Betty Karlson]

91. I don't think we have ever properly thanked you for that gift, have we?

So here's long overdue gratitude. You guys gave us something awesome.

[dorkzilla]

93. LOL, you’re welcome!

Honestly for my generation, we were more afraid of Ronnie Ray-gun than some far-off Soviet threat. He tore down the social contract we had grown up believing was going to be there when we came of age, and by the time most of us came of age, the factories started closing, the chance at an affordable education was slipping away, high unemployment and high interest rates meant we couldn’t afford cars or a house. Our way of dealing with it was mostly through our loud, angry punk music and for a lot of us, myself included, we turned our anger into votes. They ignored us the way they ignore the youth of today, and so many just gave up so they won.

I hope to god all the young people who are getting turned on by Bernie don’t wimp out. We’ll never get anything changed without you all. Us old people can’t do it alone.

[McKim]

98. &0 and Bring It On!

I am 70 and I say, Socialism? Bring it on!

[blackspade]

105. Ah, the Socialism tripe again.

At least you guys are into recycling.

[LovingA2andMI]

140. Just Like The Campaign Is Recycling...

Just like this time in January 2008. They were losing then too --- Hillary Campaign That Is.

[eridani]

148. Clinton is the candidate of rich white people judging by her bankster donations

Vermont median income = $52,776
United States median income =$50,502

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income

Vermont is as average as it gets.

[lewebley3]

170. Hillary is judged for work and dedication to the American people: not donors

Sanders negative campaign tactics

[PyaarRevolution]

196. Honestly, I don't think she cares about me.

Or most American people.

[lewebley3]

198. She spent 30 years caring about the American people: You are very self center

You won't be happy until Hillary came and wash your dishes for you.


Sanders is not going wash your dishes either

[eridani]

207. You mean like NAFTA, welfare defom and endin GlassSteagall?

Or maybe you mean the skyrocketing incarceration rate during the 90s?

[Warren DeMontague]

153. A very small state?

You mean like Arkansas?

[lewebley3]

171. HIllary helped run the biggest country in the world US: and New York

[Warren DeMontague]

184. The exact same "small state" crap was used by Poppy in 1992

and the argument was that Bill Clinton wasn't qualified to be President, because of it.

Are you saying he wasn't?

[lewebley3]

186. If you think Sanders is even the same park as Clinton your crazy

No accomplishments after 73 years in the senate

[Warren DeMontague]

187. "your"?

And Bernie Sanders has been in the Senate 73 years, huh?

[lewebley3]

188. You missed the point Hillary is quailed, experience, and loyal progressive Dem

Hillary is also very accomplished at supporting her parties
leg bills.

Hillary helped elect the largest progressive caucus in the house.

[Warren DeMontague]

190. You're right, Sanders didn't accomplish things in the Senate like voting for the Iraq War.

[lewebley3]

191. Sanders was in the Senate until 73 no bill or leadership for 30 years

He just doesn't have Presidential leadership: I would
be scarred for the safety of the American people with Sanders
as commander in chief.

[Warren DeMontague]

192. It'll be fine, chief.

Don't you fret.

[pangaia]

203. You have made that clear with your incessant comments.

So,, don't vote for him.

[PyaarRevolution]

195. Neither of my parents are in the tank for Hillary.

They don't like her and support Bernie and they're definite Democrats. Yeah an older woman who DOESN'T like Hillary.

[bigtree]

8. I'm sure the majority polled around the nation in favor of Hillary

...believe they're 'grassroots.'

With such a diverse base of support for Hillary, who is 'rebelling' against whom in our party?

I don't think this is very well thought out.

[Punkingal]

10. Jones was one of the first to mention Bernie and say he would win Iowa..

Did that on This Week about 10 days ago.

[Robbins]

17. let's get real

Bill CLinton conceded iowa to tom harkin.he wasn't actlly competing in Iowa and lose

In NH after rounds of scandal he finished strong second and spin it as a win.

the idea bill was frontrunner like hilary and lost in both iowa and nh and won nomination doesn't face reality.

[Flying Squirrel]

66. Finally some common sense on this

You should flesh that out into an OP.

[Lordquinton]

133. Bill Clinton also carried only 43.0% of the vote

Not a good comparison to make.

[morningfog]

21. 60% of Democrats under 45 support Bernie. He is the future of our party.

[left-of-center2012]

30. America's tired of the Clintons

And we don't want to go back to "the good old days" of the 90's.

[Mnpaul]

164. I think some think electing Hillary will bring back the 90's

but most of the prosperity was due to the internet boom not the Clintons.

[houston16revival]

37. There is a full-on rebellion within both major parties against their establishment

and the rebellions are viewed as on the fringes of their parties, yet
ironically they both seem to want to drag their parties back toward
the ancient middle, 1970s style, when for Democrats there was more
of a social safety net before that term was even coined, and for
Republicans more clearly defined racial lines

Trump's hair is 1978 chic, he is a New York Republican. How he sells
himself as a goody two shoes to the Fundamentalist base will be
interesting. Casino gambling Family Values perfect together.

Sanders is 1977 style Democratic liberalism. Hillary will have problems with
that because her bubba hubby so eroded the teeth of the New Deal
by compromising with Wall Street

[Ferd Berfel]

40. The Clintons are FULL ON Lying now

How the hell do you expect Bernies people to support HIllary (if we unfortunate enough) after TWO of the clintons come out with fucking lies?

The Democratic BAse is not stupid so the ROVIAN tactic won't work. they will only tank her

[Kentonio]

42. If anyone wants a reminder of why we shouldn't fight each other.

Go read the comments on the link in the op. It'll soon remind you who the enemy really is.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

67. Liars who try to deceive the electorate are not my friends.

[Kentonio]

69. I never used the word friends. Let's go with colleagues for now.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

70. OK, that's fair. nt

[gordyfl]

55. The Young Turks "It's Real"

A thirteen minute video. Worth it.

[restorefreedom]

64. enjoyed this immensely, thank you

i love to see cenk having such a good time with good news!

[Skwmom]

62. I think it's more like a rebellion against establishment Democrats.

Of course it seems like there might be a rebellion against Clinton by some of her establishment buddies.

[Enthusiast]

147. We do not like the policies being forwarded by the establishment Democrats.

Establishment Democrats allowed Wall Street to ABUSE the American people with zero repercussions. This is hardly something the American people can overlook.

The media (with zero objectivity) tells the American people that we have this huge deficit all because of Social Security and Medicare, moocher people on disability and poor people on food stamps. We are supposed to believe this after what Wall Street did and the bullshit Iraq War sold to us by said media.

Guess what. We no longer believe a fucking thing the media has to say.

[winter is coming]

65. A "rebellion"? Preferring a different candidate is now a rebellion?

Is Emperor Palpatine running?

[Gore1FL]

95. No, He's running the DNC, though.

[Agschmid]

68. I canvassed today, 45 doors.

Put up 5 yard signs and got several supporter cards.. If the base is in "rebellion" someone should tell them...

[Beacool]

75. Thank you.

I think that just like in 2008, the media smells blood and it thrills them no end because it improves their ratings. They don't give a crap about either Hillary or Sanders, they just want to muddy the waters to make the race more competitive. Until the most recent polls, there was little drama in the Democratic primary. The drama was with the Republicans.

[GeorgeGist]

77. Sounds like little enthusiasm for your candidate.

[Agschmid]

79. Well considering only 15 people were home I think we are doing okay.

Have you canvassed before?

[matt819]

76. This whole Hillary Fail thing was so unnecessary

Love her or hate her, Hillary Clinton is no idiot. Sure, she comes with baggage, but what politician doesn't? Compared to the Republican candidates, I'd take her baggage any day.

All she had to do was essentially agree with Bernie - they pretty much agree on the issues anyway - but highlight the differences between them on how she would accomplish those objectives. To have her daughter get out there and claim Bernie plans to disembowel the ACA, when in fact he would seek something far better - single payer - was just plain stupid, and she seems to be paying a large price for it. Someone in her campaign seriously steered her wrong, or, if the attack approach was her idea, someone failed to rein her in.

[bvar22]

85. Agree on the ISSUES???!!!

16 Fundamental Differences Between Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, and The Republicans:


1. Sanders has served as an elected official for over 34 years. Clinton & most Republicans have not.

2. Sanders has supported gay rights since 40 years ago. Clinton and Republicans have not.

3. Sanders wants to end the prohibition of marijuana. Clinton & The Republicans do not.

4. Sanders wants to end the death penalty. Clinton and Th Republicans do not.

5. Sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

6. Sanders wants to break up the biggest banks. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

7. Sanders voted against the Wall Street bailout. Clinton and the Republicans (and too many "Democrats) did not.

8. Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

9. Sanders refuses to accept money from super PACs. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

10. Sanders supports a single-payer healthcare system. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

11. Sanders refrains from waging personal attacks for political gains. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

12. Sanders considers climate change our nation's biggest threat. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

13. Sanders opposed the Keystone XL Pipeline since day one. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

14. Sanders voted against the Patriot Act. Clinton and the Republicans did not.

15. Sanders voted against the war in Iraq. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

16. Hillary wants to INCREASE the H1B Program ( import cheap foreign workers to replace American Jobs), Bernie does not.


Hillary sure seems to agree with Republicans a lot.
I don't,
that is why I am a Democrat, and voting for a Democrat....Bernie!

[Enthusiast]

149. Huge +1!

[McKim]

99. The Iraq War is Too Heavy a Baggage for Me!

Her Iraq War vote plus all her tough talk on foreign policy is too much baggage for me. Around 500,000 people are dead over there because of her vote. That's a lot of bodies and lives ruined, very heavy baggage.

[cui bono]

86. I AM A REBEL!!!

WITH a cause!



.

[mhatrw]

96. +1

[Still In Wisconsin]

100. Hill the Shill Clinton needs to go the fuck away yesterday.

Worn out, used up corporate shill and a crap candidate. We could do better with so many different people. "It's her turn" and "inevitable" are just not going to get it done.

[billhicks76]

106. We Don't Like Liars

Or those who collude with the enemy.

[Warren DeMontague]

113. Heavens! You mean the little people won't do as they're told? HOW DARE THEY!

[Live and Learn]

115. K&R nt

[underthematrix]

117. Van Jones VERY SHORT LIFE as an "Obama aide"

In March 2009, Jones was appointed by President Barack Obama to the newly created position of Special Advisor for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, where he worked with various "agencies and departments to advance the administration's climate and energy initiatives, with a special focus on improving vulnerable communities."[7][8] In July 2009 he became embroiled in a controversy[9] over his past political activities, including a public comment disparaging congressional Republicans, his name appearing on a petition for 911Truth.org, and one-time involvement with a socialist collective during the 1990s.[10][11][12][13] For these issues, Van Jones was heavily criticized by conservatives.[14] Jones resigned from the position in early September 2009.[9] "On the eve of historic fights for health care and clean energy, opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me," Jones said in his resignation statement. "They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide."[10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones

[rhett o rick]

166. The Conservative Wing of our Party doesn't like Van Jones or any progressive as far

as that goes. This election is a war between the Progressive Wing fighting for the People and the Conservative Wing fighting for the Wealthy 1%.

[underthematrix]

185. Thank you for your comment

[Todays_Illusion]

118. Using Chelsea to tell a lie has killed her credibility as a campaigner for Hillary Clinton.

[Enthusiast]

150. It sure didn't help.

The American people are actually sick from this disaster of a health care system. And the ACA preserves the unnecessary middlemen profit takers.

The word has leaked out on the status quo health care system.

[BeanMusical]

132. Kick and R

[youceyec]

145. drama

for our mama!

[fredamae]

156. It's Not a Rebellion

against a single individual...it is Democrats (base) rising above the Status Quo (Republican Wing of Dem Party) and because there are many, many involved...This is about the Dem Party Base Rejecting Al From/Kochs/Third Way/No Labels/DNC/Blue Dogs/New Dem Coalition/Corp---ie: Old DLC Crap.....imo.

When the next generation of voters Loudly and Soundly Reject BOTH Party's "ideals and values"? It's g'damned time to WTFU.
imo-over and out

[zipplewrath]

158. I'm concerned it's a "southern" thing again

I get the impression that HRC is counting on the southern swing and some western support. For all the talk of millennials and white folks, I'm concerned that the real "divide" here is between basically southern/western democrats and east coast/Midwest democrats.

[fredamae]

161. Interesting perspective....

Given the raw anger from most all Americans...Repubs/Dems alike (base)..I believe there is something uniquely different going on. Strategies successfully used before aren't going to work this time around.
I personally think it an error to try and "geographically kettle" voters.
Just get out there - give it your all...because this time, It appears as tho the Voters will decide...sans rigging the voting machines..and the PAB would Never do that, right?

It sure Seems - in 2016 -Party affiliation/loyalty doesn't seem to hold the same weight as it used to.

[Metric System]

197. Psst...the DLC was formed because of the decade of darkness (aka the 80s) when Dems lost every

Presidential election.

[fredamae]

199. That does not mean it was

the correct decision (motives) nor a long term solution. No one bothered to ask the electorate how these "shiny new gop lite" laws/rules/policies were working out for them. And when we (the base) complained and tried to be a part of it all-we were hung up on, ignored, shouted down and/or otherwise negated-until elections.
Over the years we voted for Dems just to keep "them" out. People tire of that over-time.
Not a good scenario, imo.

[Uncle Joe]

182. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, cali.

[Blue_Tires]

183. It does help that Sanders has been keeping

his crazier dudebro fanatics in check, since they were hurting him more than they were helping him...

[PowerToThePeople]

205. Rebellion

re·bel·lion
/rəˈbelyən/
noun
noun: rebellion; plural noun: rebellions

an act of violent or open resistance to an established government or ruler.
"the authorities put down a rebellion by landless colonials"
synonyms: uprising, revolt, insurrection, mutiny, revolution, insurgence, insurgency; More
rioting, riot, disorder, unrest
"troops suppressed the rebellion"
the action or process of resisting authority, control, or convention.
"an act of teenage rebellion"
synonyms: defiance, disobedience, rebelliousness, insubordination, subversion, subversiveness, resistance
"an act of rebellion"

I would not call it rebellion, as Hillary is not an established ruler. We are a "democracy" so we do not have rulers, we have representatives.

Our representatives need to learn their place.

[John Poet]

208. Bill Clinton did not actively contest Iowa in 1992

against favorite son Tom Harkin, so to say that he lost both Iowa and New Hampshire
(and then came back to win the nomination)
is somewhat misleading.

Other Democrats mostly just bypassed Iowa in 1992, with Harkin expected to win it easily, which he did with absolutely no further benefit.

Bill was a close second-place in New Hampshire, the first primary he actively contested,
and successfully spun it as a victory of sorts.