2016 Postmortem
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(10,565 posts)sheesh.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Is anyone who supports Holder a wall street "shill"? I happen to think he did OK. Especially in light of the total shit he had to put up with.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Can you?
If you support someone, that means you support his/her policies--most notably holders "too big to fail" banks, in which he coined that term, and did little to nothing to prosecute the criminals that caused the recession.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Even though it would've gone on a decade, cost 100x as much as Enron, and most of the bankers would've got off anyway.
That he didn't waste time but instead went after settlements (in the robocalling case keeping tens of thousands of workers out of jail), doesn't bother me that much nor does it make me a shill.
But those who choose to call me one are nasty pieces of work.
jkbRN
(850 posts)Also, when he left the Obama administration he went back to his corporate law firm:
It isn't necessarily what he did, but more of what he did not do--which is now setting us up for another crash. Maybe if he would have jailed them we wouldn't be on the brink of another financial crisis.
You can call it shilling, but what you are no doubt doing is propagating a man who (in the eyes of many) failed the American people.
Source: http://www.salon.com/2015/07/07/why_eric_holders_new_job_is_an_insult_to_the_american_public/
Sincerely,
A nasty piece of work (aka, a nurse)
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)But until Bush's judicial appointments are gone (retire) a lot of it will continue.
I simply don't buy the hyperbole about Holder. Remember when Wheeler was absolutely trashed for being a former lobbyist? Yet he brought us net neutrality. Now I'm sure he's done some shit since I might not like. But I think he's still good by me. I'm sure nasty shit can be alleged about me for that support. Corporate shill for the mega communications monopoly!
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ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)jkbRN
(850 posts)this endorsement will definitely not help her with getting people to believe that she will "reign in Wall Street"
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Why would I be embarrassed to stand with a man who did everything possible to protect the right of minorities to vote and prosecute hate crimes?
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/holder-calls-updated-fair-housing-lending-laws
..."Under Holder, the Civil Rights Division has racked up the most hate crime convictions in more than a decade as the FBI and Civil Rights Division began actively investigating and prosecuting hate crimes based on sexual orientation and gender identity with the implementation of the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act.
And during a Lambda Legal reception in June, Holder took aim at the Boy Scouts of Americas remaining ban on gay Scout leaders, comparing it to Dont Ask, Dont Tell and describing it as a relic of an age of prejudice and insufficient understanding.
According to Chad Griffin, president of the Human Rights Campaign, Holders record is unmatched. Some Attorneys General wait for history, others make history happen. Attorney General Holder made history for the LGBT community, Griffin said in a statement. He was our Robert F. Kennedy, lightening the burden of every American who faces legal discrimination and social oppression. We owe him a profound debt of gratitude for his legacy of advocacy and service.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)stood idly by while AIG and Wall ripped off America, then refused to prosecute despite clear indications of corruption and financial crimes? I dunno. I guess my standards are higher than yours.
jkbRN
(850 posts)When he wasn't prosecuting the banks--just like lynch with the FIFA scandal and giving the banks fines.
You really need to learn to read between the lines. They win when they distract the voters.
Lynchs legal career is emblematic of the revolving door between Washington and Wall Street. After 11 years of working for the U.S. attorneys office, Lynch took a job at Hogan & Hartson (now known as Hogan Lovells), working alongside John Roberts, now the chief justice of the United States. Lynchs first case at Hogan was defending an Arthur Andersen partner who got caught cooking the books for Enron. From 2003 to 2005, she served on the board for the New York Federal Reserve, working directly under Tim Geithner, who became famous for turning a blind eye to Wall Streets high-risk gambling schemes that led to the 2008 financial crisis. Lynch stayed at Hogan until President Barack Obama appointed her as U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York. No wonder Lynch hasnt ever put a banker in jail during her legal career: Theyre her former clients.
Should FIFA officials do jail time for their crimes? Of course. But football fans around the world following the FIFA investigation would be wise to hold off on praising Lynch as a paragon of justice even if she convicts them all. If the FIFA executives accused of financial crimes were Wall Street bankers, they would never have to worry about spending one day inside a prison cell.
Source: http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/6/fifa-indictments-reveal-loretta-lynchs-hypocrisy.html
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)refused to prosecute the banker thieves who nearly bankrupted the country, as well as the war criminals who conducted an illegal war and tortured people.
Good to know that Holder finally located his ethics.
What does Holder do now? Oh yes, I remember:
Why Eric Holders new job is an insult to the American public
The former Attorney General who made "too big to jail" a national joke now re-joins his old corporate law firm
Why Eric Holders new job is an insult to the American public
If Las Vegas took bets on whether recently departed Attorney General Eric Holder would return to corporate law firm Covington & Burling, the casinos would have run out of money faster than Greek banks. Newborn infants could have guessed at a homecoming for the former partner at Covington from 2001 to 2009. Last year, Holder bought a condo 300 feet from the firms headquarters. The National Law Journal headlined the news, Holders Return to Covington Was Six Years in the Making, as if acting as the nations top law enforcement officer was a temp gig. They even kept an 11th-floor corner office empty for his return.
If we had a more aggressive media, this would be an enormous scandal, more than the decamping of former Obama Administration officials to places like Uber and Amazon. Thats because practically no law firm has done more to protect Wall Street executives from the consequences of their criminal activities than Covington & Burling. Their roster of clients includes every mega-bank in America: JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Citigroup, Bank of America. Yet Holder has joined several of his ex-employees there, creating a shadow Justice Department and an unquestionable conflict of interest. In fact, given the pathetic fashion in which DoJ limited punishment for those who caused the greatest economic meltdown in 80 years, Holders new job looks a lot like his old job.
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/07/why_eric_holders_new_job_is_an_insult_to_the_american_public/
An older link, but still relevant. After serving the 1% as Attorney General he received his reward for his great work. For the 1%.
progressoid
(49,992 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)What is surprising is that you think this silly series of "I stand with" posts are effective.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)WDIM
(1,662 posts)criminals in the world.
Thats not to mention the lives he destroyed because they used a peaceful plant.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)...... The third Eric Holder thread you've started today. Keep it up
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts)Face it, if he had endorsed Bernie Sanders, he would be one of the greatest guys on earth according to many of Bernie's supporters, and if they said something stupid like, "No, I'm disappointed that he endorsed Bernie, and I've always felt this way about him", they would straight up be lying through their teeth. You gotta ask yourself, how can every single person, and organization that has, and let's face it, will endorse Hillary be the devil incarnate, including a grieving mother who has lost her child to out of control, overreaching injustice.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251996809
This is what they have become. The sad part about it is, they are proud of it.😕
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts).... wholeheartedly.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts)...why the the negativity is ludicrous....and bizarre.
1. Revitalized the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Dept.
Holder has shifted the focus of this division back to racial discrimination. (Under the Bush administration, the focus was on religious discrimination and human trafficking.)
2. Defender of LGBTQ rights
Holder has been a powerful ally to the LGBTQ community over the years. In recent years, and even in the last 12 months, our nation has made extraordinary strides to overcome obstacles and institutional biases that too often affect gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender individuals, Holder said.
More here:
http://bluenationreview.com/eric-holders-greatest-achievements/
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts)...good enough.
marmar
(77,084 posts)Autumn
(45,111 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)But I'm not going to rip into him. I think he's one of our best attorneys general.
I also think fellow Sanders supporters should refrain from insulting people who support the opposition.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Seems reasonable enough.
Logical
(22,457 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Since empathy is part and parcel of liberalism if tearing others down makes you feel better about yourself then I won't stand in your way.
Logical
(22,457 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It's not as if there are any Kants, Hegels, Rousseaus, or Hamiltons on this board and my posts are blocking them out.
Logical
(22,457 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)This board ceased long ago to be a venue to seriously discuss issues, if it ever did. Consequently I create different personas to make it enjoyable for me. This is just the latest iteration.
I am just , imho, inserting some levity.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)kinda like opposite day.
You had me going there for a while