2016 Postmortem
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Clinton's Health Care Attack Makes No Sense
The Clinton camp is lambasting Bernie Sanders' health care plan, but its critique is blatantly dishonest.
By Pat Garofalo
Jan. 13, 2016, at 12:40 p.m.
Clinton is lambasting Sanders' proposal for a universal, single-payer health care system. And she's doing it in a pretty dishonest way.
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Clinton's daughter Chelsea got in on the act, too, in an even worse manner, claiming that Sanders wants to "dismantle Obamacare." She said: "I worry if we give Republicans Democratic permission to do that, we'll go back to an era, before we had the Affordable Care Act, that would strip millions and millions and millions of people off their health insurance."
This is mostly rank nonsense. A single-payer system, like it does in many other countries, would cover everybody, period. To say otherwise is either willfully misunderstanding how it would work or simple scaremongering.
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Chelsea Clinton's attack is even worse, making it sound as if Sanders is like the Republicans who call to "repeal and replace" Obamacare without actually drafting a "replace" plan. As former Obama administration adviser David Axelrod said on CNN last night, "Bernie Sanders is proposing single-payer, universal healthcare. You can hardly say he is trying to take health care away from anyone or retreat from Obamacare. He's trying to exceed it. And so it's not really an honest attack."
But Hillary Clinton doubled down on her daughter's words on Wednesday, saying on "Good Morning America" that Sanders would "take everything we currently know as health care, Medicare, Medicaid, the CHIP Program, private insurance, now of the Affordable Care Act, and roll it together. As she knows, since she is well-versed in health care policy, that's a feature, not a bug of single-payer; the alphabet soup of insurance programs is one of things that makes American health care so confusing and inefficient. Instead of attacking the idea on the merits, she's choosing to make it seem as if Sanders has a callous disregard for people losing health insurance.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/pat-garofalo/articles/2016-01-13/hillary-clintons-bizarre-attack-on-bernie-sanders-health-care-plan
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Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Bernie want's to roll together all these great plans and make them into universal health care. Run for your lives people Bernie will forever change life as we know it.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Just what we want in a leader.
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Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)kind of like corporations are people too my friend......
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)and insurance companies of course have your best interest at heart because they are your friend. Pay no attention to the price gouger behind the curtain.
Dretownblues
(253 posts)And when your family member passes because they won't cover basic healthcare needs, that condolence card goes a long way
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)"on 9/11"
cui bono
(19,926 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)I am glad a lot of the media is starting to call her out for these ridiculous attacks.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And oddly enough, I don't see much pushback from the Hillary supporters on here like when they tried to explain away the sexist attack.
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840high
(17,196 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)it's best not to stop them.
Broward
(1,976 posts)since she loses on the merits of her positions. Hopefully, the public sees right through it.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)And it's a single digit race, so they're quite desperate.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Democrats KNOW it's a much smarter, more efficient, CHEAPER, and more altruistic system. We know it. Even if the Republicans don't.
She will lose support for this, and she deserves to lose support for this.
fbc
(1,668 posts)And I am glad it's coming out now so plainly before people make the mistake of voting for her.
Shame on you Hillary Clinton!
840high
(17,196 posts)mention of Bernie on most sites I go to. This year they know who he is and what he stands for.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)And apparently a liar, too.
A family of liars, it would seem.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Privilege blinds people.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)and now with the nation doing the republican thing of walking all over other speakers for Hillary Clinton, blowing the same bullshit. She also let it drop that her DAUGHTER WORKS FOR CLINTON! DOES EVERYONE'S DAUGHTER WORK FOR CLINTON!?
cui bono
(19,926 posts)The whole system is rigged that way. The bankers/SEC/congress critters have their own revolving door situation. Now you find out all these people related to key media figures or Dem leadership figures, it's all very disheartening. How can the people have any control if we keep electing people who are surrounded by those we are supposed to count on to aid us and give us information?
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INdemo
(6,994 posts)1. Bill Clinton's
2.Bill Clinton's
3 Bill Clinton's
4.Karl Rove
5.Lee Atwater.
Bill Clinton outlined the "bashing Obama" strategy in 2008. It didn't work then for Hillary and it wont work now.
How can anyone support a candidate that uses lies and deception in a fury of desperation to try and discredit another primary challenger?
This strategy is usually reserved for a Republican candidate and this could very well be Hillary's 47%
Hillary Clinton has made a bad mistake that she may not recover from and as the old saying goes (you've heard this before Bill)
"She's done shit in her nest"
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Boy do things change when you've got goals.
Don Draper
(187 posts)She is blatantly being dishonest & trying to confuse people to try to score political points, and as a progressive, it feels insulting. Sure, I will vote for whoever the democratic candidate is for president, but for the life of me, I don't understand how any person who considers themselves a progressive would vote for her in the primaries
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)and say these horrible things to detract from single payer?
She's making it harder and harder for me to want to hold my nose and vote for her if she wins the nomination.
cui bono
(19,926 posts).
azmom
(5,208 posts)#unidosConBernie
hay rick
(7,626 posts)This makes her look desperate and disingenuous.
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)Nothing new here.
Published on Nov 9, 2015 POLL: 60% OF AMERICANS THINK HILLARY IS UNTRUSTWORTHY AND DISHONEST
Top first words that come to mind when thinking of Hillary (Quinnipiac)
liar
dishonest
untrustworthy
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untruthful
deceitful
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criminal
unethical
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trouble
deceptive
Benghazi
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arogant
sneaky
crook
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murder
theif
cheat
there's some good words too but a lot of prominent bad words questioning her honesty.
If being a liar could get one elected, this thing would have been over a long time ago. I don't think anyone would dare run against her!