2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWould you support Bernie picking Hillary to be his VP if he wins the nomination and the presidency?
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Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Plenty of women (and men, them too) who'd have Bernie's back better than Clinton ever could.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)- Former FLOTUS
- Former US Senator
- Former Secretary of State
Not bad!
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)As Secretary of State, she promoted fracking and TPP
As FLOTUS, she supported DOMA and DADT.
"not bad"? In your opinion, maybe...
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)rocktivity
(44,577 posts)rocktivity
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)When Obama was leading the delegate count after super Tuesday, it was pretty much over at that point.
At least I thought it was. But of course the media loved them the horse race!
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)and there probably will be again (assuming Bernie wins).
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)No more dynasties. there are plenty of fish in the sea.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Which means not picking Hillary was the best decision in politics he ever made.
Why would we want Bernie to not learn from that?
mythology
(9,527 posts)All you can say from Obama's statement is that picking Biden was the best decision. Decisions are made at individual points in time under specific circumstances. The decision wasn't a binary choice of Biden or Clinton for VP. There were many choices and you have no idea where Clinton would have landed on the list. Perhaps she was 2nd, or perhaps she was the last person eligible to be nominated that he would have chosen. The former would not mean that not choosing Clinton is the best choice he ever made, where the latter would.
Unless I suppose you would be willing to agree that means that not picking say Bernie Sanders was the best choice and people should learn from that.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)I'd say it's near perfect. Like hanging flypaper from every square inch of a ceiling.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)That's a little weird. And smelly.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)I somehow can't see it.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I would somewhat agree with you.
I'm not sure if she would even want to be VP.
Boomer
(4,168 posts)I think it's somewhat disrespectful to relegate Clinton to the vice presidency, like a consolation prize to the loser.
Personally, I think her foreign policy experience would make her an excellent adjunct to Sanders' administration, in the one area in which he's rather weak. But their campaign battles are just too fraught with tension to resolve them in this way.
I do hope that President Sanders chooses a VP with foreign policy experience. What about another term for Biden!
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)After screwing up on Iraq she repeats the same mistake with with Libya.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I would hope Bernie would choose someone more like Cyrus Vance, probably the best Secretary of State in my lifetime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_Vance
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)-- Obama picking Clinton as his VP -- and it was obvious to the most casual observer that it would never happen. For lots of reasons, not the least of which would have been a residue of ill-feeling between the two after the primary season was over.
Plus, it's almost impossible to imagine Hillary being willing to settle for VP, no matter how bitter her second defeat for the nomination is.
And whether any of us support Bernie's VP pick is a totally irrelevant question, because he'll select who he wants, and I sincerely doubt he'll ask any of us for advice.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)Don't want her anywhere near the Oval Office.
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Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)I had no idea.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Maybe people on time outs get that right retained.
bvf
(6,604 posts)It's like a consolation prize. Lets them see their name here without letting them do any real damage.
What I find even more interesting is seeing Clinton supporters voting "no" here.
I think Hillary would simply jump at the chance to sit around, waiting for the boss to sneeze.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)eom
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)4) Absolutely not!
5) Not just no, but Hell NO!
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)??
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)But I don't see that happening, in all honesty.
Mike Nelson
(9,960 posts)...in some role(s)
RDANGELO
(3,433 posts)That would be the best way to get a big turnout.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)HRC selecting Bernie as her VP. I think the POTUS/VPOTUS needs to be a trusting ride or die relationship so it has to be someone of the candidate's choosing that will have their back through thick and thin.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I can't imagine what she will do after she loses the Democratic nomination (again), but my guess is that it will involve her slippers, a comfy robe, Netflix marathons and a steady stream of Xanax smoothies.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)I don't think either Clinton or Sanders should choose the other as the VP nod. I think neither of them would benefit from that choice.
Both are older and would benefit from a younger VP candidate, they are both more or less from the northeast, Clinton has her baggage (some fair, some not) and Sanders being so easily labeled a socialist wouldn't help as a vp nomination when the Republicans are already going to be calling the Democratic candidate a marxist fascist etc etc.
Additionally I think that they don't have complimentary public personas. Sanders can often sound like an angry old guy and Clinton can sometimes sound a little grating. I think both would benefit from somebody who comes across more personable. I think that is one thing Biden did well for Obama who sometimes comes across as too calm and detached where Biden is the proverbial guy you'd like to have a beer with.
enid602
(8,620 posts)I doubt she'd want to be part of that train wreck. Maybe Nader will accept a VP slot.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)or the neocon hawks. These people have done coups before. He needs to pick someone like himself, so they won't gain anything by killing him.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)As long as he has hired a food taster.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)We need people in office that support Bernie's agenda. She never will.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I'm not sure if I want all of FDR.
Perhaps bits and pieces.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Nancy is going to be 76 in March. Bernie is going to be 75 in September. No way ail that ever be a ticket even if they are great politicians.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)accept. Nancy especially is a major power house and needed right where she is. Hillary, I'm guessing, would go off to save the world and eventually have statues honoring her contributions raised around the planet. Her potential is enormous wherever she goes, but it'll be White House first, then carterism.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)SteveG
(3,109 posts)there are some I would prefer, Sharrod Brown for example, but Hillary would be fine with me. I'm a pragmatic person, and I am to the left of both of them, but I look at it this way, if it's a Sanders/Clinton ticket the whole base would be energized to get out the vote, and if we can get our base out to actually vote, we can win in a landslide with a real possibility of regaining both houses of Congress. Our base is still bigger than theirs, enough larger to counteract a lot of the gerrymandering of the Fascists.
SamKnause
(13,108 posts)Hell no !!!
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)more geographic balance. I think he would probably pick a woman, but probably not Hillary. Conventional wisdom would lead someone to think that he would tend toward picking someone outside the geographic area - in this case, the Northeast. Although conventional wisdom would suggest he might pick someone a bit more centrist. I expect that is what would probably happen. Senator Sanders ever since the days of being Mayor Sanders has always show a very strong tendency toward compromise and pragmatism when it comes to the actual mechanics of politics. On aims and principle he can be a bit uncompromising. ON the mechanics of politics he can be quite Machiavellian.
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)If I was inclined to accept her as VP I would be backing her as a presidential candidate. Plus I trust Bernie to chose someone that is more like oh I dunno MO'M.
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)is more than a bit premature.
The cascade of DU posts slamming Hillary, her family, the DNC, her endorsers, Dems generally, and just about anyone here who supports HRC do not make me optimistic about either
a) Bernie's LT chances of being the Dem nominee or
b) Hillary's willingness to be on the same ticket with him in any form.
In the case of the very big "If" of Bernie winning the Dem nomination, I do not believe that Clinton would ever accept, even if asked. Women have settled for second place for far too long.
It would have been one thing to accept second place in 2008. The first AA/woman ticket would have been very appealing and historically symbolic. But once again to accept second place with a white male, when a woman is as qualified as HRC is, reeks too much of the same old-same-old that women have been subjected to for centuries.
It would be seen as a sellout by many of us. Definitely by me.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)a hell of a lot better than I like anybody on the red bench.
Not sure either Bernie or Hillary are interested in the veep job. Maybe. But I just have a hunch it would wind up being someone not in the mix for the top spot. I'd like to see either Bernie or Hillary offer a major role for Governor O'Malley in the Cabinet.
I'm not hogwild about Tim Kaine, but I would expect him to be on Hillary's short list. No fan of Evan Bayh either. The veep slot is a tough question this cycle.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I mean, by a slender margin.
get the red out
(13,467 posts)I would support anything that gets Senator Sanders into the Oval Office!
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Bernie's MO in my opinion.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)Bernie and Hillary are like oil and water.
In order to get anything done you would need to constantly being shaking them up or use too much homogenizing agent to keep them from coming apart.
No, no, no, no, no.
Its not good chemistry and it's not good for America, especially after what appears to be a nasty primary season already.