2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie hasn't whined or threatened or lied about Hillary's gun ad
implicitly criticizing him. And that ad is closely analogous to his two visions ad. Comparing positions, records and policies is absolutely legitimate and not negative campaigning, but the Hillary campaign is going ballistic; lying, whining and threatening.
It's sickening.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)ignore what she says on tv.or bs of them saying they always expected it to be close.
the lying and attacks on bernie just prove they are desperate now.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)He was expected to be dismissed as a grumpy racist in the first week, but people turned out to be smarter than the Clinton crew ever gave them credit for.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Some habits are hard to break.
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arcane1
(38,613 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)shows this race has changed for former miss inevitiable.
you don't send your daughter to lie about opporent inless your worried.children of cnadiates usually campagin on how great their
father or mother is and what they will do for you not lie about your opporent.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)She's not going to get away with focus-group-tested platitudes any more, and is going to face a VERY skeptical electorate.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Her campaign's last gasp before Iowa. She's on the ropes. Her internal polls have to be really, really bad.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Robbins
(5,066 posts)I suspect their iowa internals may be far worse than public polls for them to go this crazy negative on bernie.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Something has set her off.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)I signed a Bernie petition to get him on the ballot in NY today.
Bernie people present in da 'hood. No Hillary people in sight.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)I feel her campaign's reaction to his ad is absurd and icky. Both ads make valid contrasts. Nothing negative or nasty about either.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)my thoughts since yesterday.
There's a lot about what happened in 2008 that feels similar today except that "shame on you" came after 2/3rds of the primary was already over and Obama had it pretty much locked up.
Clearly, something is up and Clinton is desperately trying to stop the bleeding.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)I think this is 2008 redux.she is falling faster than she did in 2008.
If you remember how she went negative on obama this isn't a surprise.
how long till she does "Shame on you Bernie Sanders"
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)I'm a little concerned it's some deep down chauvinism thing
But when she gets like this, she's a bigger turn off. Now I don't find Hillary attractive - never did. So I don't think it's that. I don't find Elizabeth Warren attractive but I'd love to see her in the White house.
It's closer to what Michael Moore tweeted when she gets like this
https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/665731532342956032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Michael Moore ✔ @MMFlint
Hillary keeps sending me messages thru the TV machine: "Michael, don't vote for me...don't vote for me...don't vote for me" Stop! #DemDebate
10:22 PM - 14 Nov 2015
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)people fit to be president in our entire country? That is it for me after policies and allegiances to those who I despise. I am just deeply tired of her and her family, the bushes, the establishment telling me what to do and think as I work two jobs to supplement my pension. I am TIRED of it and her.
Nothing will change in this country until we do it. Together.
Prism
(5,815 posts)If she's our nominee (as I fear she will be), this incompetent flailing, ham-handedness, and just plain whining victimhood is going to wreck her campaign. And she's freaking out like this over an opponent she has a fairly comfortable lead over. What happens in a close GE?
A lot of people blamed Mark Penn for '08, but here we are again with the same self-destructive impulses. I think the dysfunction comes straight from the top.
I'm still marveling at how atrocious the Chelsea decision was. It's like watching behind the scenes of George Lucas making the Phantom Menace. No one wanted to tell him no, even as you could see the disagreement all over their faces. I wonder if Hillary's inner circle has a similar dynamic.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)I have always believed after more became aware of bernie and closer to primarys her support would start to collopse like house of
cards.also remember at one time people thought Kerry was done for and he ended up winning.In weeks leading up to iowa he
started moving up which shocked people.it did me and i supported dean at the time.
Let's say DNC can still fix it for Clinton.the GE against say trump would not be a slam dunk for her.with her as candiate i say people
underestimate him at their own risk.but also cruz,assuming citizenship question wouldn't fix him,or rubio.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)a soulless politician completely lacking in morals. I honestly don't see how much good can come from a Clinton presidency