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Related: About this forumNew low for Clinton in personal attacks on bernie
&feature=youtu.becalling in to morning joe at end she takes jab at bernie and family when she says people talk about extraordinary grandchildren.I
actually have one.
She is taking jab at Bernie's grandchildren are technically adopted since their parents are wife's children he adopted when they
got married.
My opinion keeps getting worse of her.Not enough she sends her daughter to lie for her and then tries to say she acted on her own.
now she takes jab at bernie and his family.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Bernie for running. She's despicable
840high
(17,196 posts)That was a disgusting low blow.
Having said that, I think she's showing her true colors. I rarely feel sincere compassion or warmth from her.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)emulatorloo
(44,180 posts)This is what she said after OP cut her off:
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/15/1470310/-Clinton-Did-Not-Diss-Sanders-Grandkids
And I think too many people are forgetting what are some of the biggest determinants as to what happens to your children and grandchildren. The first being what kind of country we are and whether were still providing the opportunities to realize your promise and potential and what kind of worlds going to be out there waiting.
And I feel passionately that just because we had it in the past, doesnt mean were going to keep it in the future. You shouldnt have to be the granddaughter of a former president to have your American Dream realized. I think every kid should have a chance to live up to her god-given potential.
OP uses selective editing to manufacture a smear that was not made.
From your posts I know you wouldn't endorse the OP for manufacturing smears.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Obama and Bernie are pals.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)He wants take private money and give it away for free:
and he is trashing Obama legacy on health care
The Dem senate colleagues do not support him:
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Are you sure you're on the right website?
Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #103)
Ed Suspicious This message was self-deleted by its author.
shawn703
(2,702 posts)I've been reading some of this poster's comments on other threads, and it is just too reminiscent of the "logic" and writing style I'd expect to encounter on a right-wing website.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Just counter anything pro-Bernie or anti-Hillary. It doesn't have to make any sense, and it usually doesn't.
This is all the "support" she has left here: outsourced fake fans
paleotn
(17,947 posts)..watch heavy amounts of Fox News? Just asking.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Sander is a nightmare waiting to happen like McGovern and
Mondale. Very Nice guys losers like Sanders.
Sanders represents socialism not the Dem party: and
he has not accomplished anything.
He lied when he said he could break up the banks: He's not
supported by progressive Dem is his own state.
Sanders will put Trump in the white house: The GOP
already wants war with Iran:
Sanders is repeating a sad history not learned by
by some Dem's.
paleotn
(17,947 posts)....and I'm the king of fucking Siam.
From your abuse of the English language, I half expect you to claim to be a Nigerian prince and need my help reclaiming your millions in inheritance. All I need to do is give you my banking information and you'll reward me handsomely.
Ummm, I ain't falling for it.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)You are abusing the English language: because you have run
out ideas.
Checkmate! You shouldn't been on this site with your language:
cui bono
(19,926 posts)SMH
.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)But you clearly have no idea what checkmate means.
.
paleotn
(17,947 posts)...is that it? Post vacuous bullshit with absolutely nothing to back up your assertions, then declare victory when someone calls you out on it. Come on. At least put a little thought into your tripe.
You can't be real. Please tell me you're not real.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Nice right wing talking point you got there.
And in every other idiotic post of yours.
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lewebley3
(3,412 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Do it.
.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)for free'. Did you get lost somewhere on your way here?
navarth
(5,927 posts)best to ignore it.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)They are fun to play with
navarth
(5,927 posts)AllTooEasy
(1,261 posts)"Attacking Bernie for having adopted children?" ...how would that even work?
"Hey, you have adopted children! Therefore, you're Unqualified to be the nominee of a liberal political party!"
Wow! With all of Bernie's positives and Hillary's negatives, this poster makes up this $hit! Hillary shows pride in her grandchildren. She never mentions anything about Bernie's kids being adopted, which nobody knew...or cares. This is Faux News Swiftboat worthy. This one is worse than Clinton supporters insinuating that Bernie is owned by the gun lobby.
Next thing you'll tell me that John Kerry actually "outted" Chaney's daughter during their Vice Presidential debate. Remember that one? Just as Pathetic.
Bernie or Hillary, I'll be glad when this nominee process is over. Both candidates' most zealous supporters are making all of us Progressives look more assinine with every post.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)and his behavior that supports them.
I believe, as you might notice, that high principles WORK. That is why I believe in Bernie and believe that his principles, his plans, and so forth are not only working right now but will work. They just have to be clearly stated, and they resonate with the human heart and cause concerted human action.
These attempts to divide and conquer and besmirch and denigrate only serve to create MISHEGASS.
Go, Bernie, Go!!!! And likewise to all who support him and are working so hard to see the vision he is putting forth come to fruition.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)this is very low.we all know who she was refeering to.
Those of us who supported obama in 2008 and now support bernie and remember that race this is no surprise.
I was fearful someone would be low enough to say this but i hoped it would be republicans who would be this low.
Fans of Bernie will hate her now.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Maybe try again with facts and intelligence.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Just one many facts: Sanders doesn't have many facts:
and he doesn't have any vote for his plans in the Senate
or a way to play for anything.
He put a plan together that failed 9 times to get even
Dem support on health care
No surprise their Sanders doesn't have any accomplishments
to show for 40 years in the Senate.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)The next step is to provide a link.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Not ONCE have you backed up anything you have said. You constantly try to smear Sanders and anyone who supports him. You have slandered a national treasure of talk radio - the most fair person you are ever going to meet.
Put up or shut up for fuck's sake.
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arcane1
(38,613 posts)It's only a matter of time before her campaign plays that card. They're running out of options.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)it's all about who you associate with. The fact that she even talks to Scarborough is an indictment of her character and/or judgement.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Is his character still good?
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)his judgment, not so good. No liberal should ever appear on conservative TV/Radio unless they are there to attack conservative ideas.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Might want to edit your other post then...
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)"The fact that she even talks to Scarborough is an indictment of her character and/or judgement".
Given HRC's close ties and professed friendship and admiration of Henry Kissinger, I think that indicts here character. ANY liberal who appears on a conservative radio/TV show for any purpose other than tearing them a new one is showing poor judgment.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Got it.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)"The fact that she even talks to Scarborough is an indictment of her character and/or judgement".
I will break it down:
1) Bernie has shown poor judgment by appearing on a conservative TV show.
2) HRC has show poor judgment by appearing on a conservative TV show AND
3) As HRC has also show that she has no problem consorting with conservatives on a personal level, up to and including expressing admiration for people who are unindicted war criminals and writing fawning book reviews of their work, she has impeached her own character. To my knowledge, Bernie has not expressed admiration for war criminals, nor sought them out to be his personal advisers.
In fact, when Sanders does interact with vile conservatives, he leave them bloodied, yet respectful of his character:
From Bloomberg News:
Bernie Sanders is unique, Inhofe says, in that most of the Democrats I know in the Senate vote liberal and press-release conservative. Not Bernie. Hes a proud, in-the-heart, sincere liberal. Ive never heard him once say something that didnt come from his heart. Thats not true with all the people running for president, Democrats and Republican. I hold him in high regard. Sanders and Inhofe met in the early 90s, when they were both representatives, and Sanders was proposing an amendment hiking taxes on the oil and gas industry. Inhofe rushed to the floor, debated him, and won the vote. Afterward, Sanders thanked him for offering a thoughtful, fact-based exchange.
Despite 25 years of friendship, Inhofe doesnt know much about Sanders personally. With everyone else in the Senate, theyll discuss the Oklahoma-Oklahoma State game, Inhofe says. But not Bernie. I dont think he has any other interests. I really dont. Ive never heard him talk about anything besides something legislative hes all wrapped up in. Its very unusual. Inhofe pauses. I, to this day, dont even know if he has grandkids. Or even a wife. The two have never gone to dinner or lunch. I dont know what wed talk about, Inhofe says, before remembering that, of course, Sanders would talk about wealth inequality. You cant have a whole dinner talking about that.
Q.E.D.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)deaths on both sides of the Vietnam War. Kissinger gave classified information to Nixon regarding the peace talks between Washington and Hanoi that an agreement was near and Nixon used this to tell them if they ( the communist forces) would not agree at that point then they would get a better deal from him. As a Vietnam veteran serving in the infantry in Vietnam and Cambodian conflicts, I watched friends die and I personally believe Kissinger is a POS, who should be locked up as the greatest living traitor in our country. Jane Fonda is also hated by many but she believed in what she was doing. Kissinger was an experienced man, who betrayed his boss, his country, and the soldiers. He is responsible for thousands of deaths and millions of wounded around the world. This year, I went to Cambodia to See Angkor Wat and music was played by people disabled by the mines we planted. Much of this maiming would have been avoided if Kissinger had not betrayed our country. Hillary knows what happened and how he was responsible. Her association just shows she cares little about the people below the 1 percent.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Though I would say he caused millions of deaths when you add in his murderous policies in Cambodia, Laos, Cyprus, Angola, Chile, etc.
There are many countries Kissinger can't enter for fear of being arrested for a war crime. Apparently HRC's office isn't one of them.
And this quote in her Grima Wormtongue-esque review of Kissinger's book really makes it plain:
"His analysis, despite some differences over specific policies, largely fits with the broad strategy behind the Obama administrations effort over the past six years to build a global architecture of security and cooperation for the 21st century."
This explains SO much about our foreign policy of the last seven years.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It's not all about Bernie... Just FYI.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Please do tell.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)Attempting to turn this into some sort of covert attack on Bernie is completely absurd. Anyone buying into this nonsense has gone off the deep end and hit their head on the bottom of the pool.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Did she really go there?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)It sure as fuck must be because that is about 90% of what I see here.
HOw in holy hell does Bernie govern if the BASHERS dont change their ways.
How will others deal with it?
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Bernie Sanders has often talked about his extraordinary grandchildren on the campaign trail.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)She was making a comparison between her grandkid and Bernies'!
Comparison is the exact same thing as negative and attack (I learned that yesterday from the Hillarians).
:: sheesh ::
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Response to Punkingal (Reply #6)
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emulatorloo
(44,180 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...no doubt due to my own biases.
I have deleted my post.
jkbRN
(850 posts)emulatorloo
(44,180 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 15, 2016, 02:56 PM - Edit history (1)
On EDIT:
Here's the part of the quote OP cut out at the end. She went on to say:
And I think too many people are forgetting what are some of the biggest determinants as to what happens to your children and grandchildren. The first being what kind of country we are and whether were still providing the opportunities to realize your promise and potential and what kind of worlds going to be out there waiting.
And I feel passionately that just because we had it in the past, doesnt mean were going to keep it in the future. You shouldnt have to be the granddaughter of a former president to have your American Dream realized. I think every kid should have a chance to live up to her god-given potential.
cali
(114,904 posts)That is a ludicrous stretch.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)and that was bernie and his family.and i am not alone on this.it's on social media now.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)That was pretty big on social media too...
cali
(114,904 posts)Dretownblues
(253 posts)It seemed to come out of left field and was a very vaugue statement, I'm just not sure who it was directed to. Was there mention of grandchildren in the repub debate? Maybe a hit on Fiorina?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)I didn't even know that obscure fact about Bernie until just now, and none of the the voters do either.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It seems we've begun to just start making shit up again.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)LOL!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)This ranks up there with "Hillary Beats Up Old Man." Difference is that was hilarious.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)And second, Hillary Clinton spent years ranting and raving against the rights of some minorities to marry and make a family so when she pulls this shit I get very cheesed off at her. She hindered other people in their quest to build a family and yet she makes use of her own family as proof of her own excellence. That sucks big rotten eggs.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Maybe it just means that I'm old as dirt, but they all seem pretty extraordinary to me.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)pretending it's anything other than that often repeated joke is pathetic and embarrassing.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)it's a statement that reinforces how vicious she can be.
I really loved that Dorothy commercial, while many here were dismissing it. Was I wrong in thinking it showed that she's actually a warm, loving person?
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)dsc
(52,166 posts)but it isn't her.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)the beholder.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I just interpreted it as grandmotherly pride.
...but better not be more than that.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)There are bigger issues to worry about.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Considering how she doesn't know the difference between her grandparents and her great grandparents she should probably not talk about people's family members.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)stretch.........she said she will do anything to win......and she means it.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It's 100% made up.
This wasn't an attack, it wasn't a new low, just fodder for the DU drama.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)went right over your head.
cali
(114,904 posts)It's absurd to think this is a jab at Bernie
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)So she "actually" has one (a grandchild). Good for her. I really was never aware until now that in the real world, "adoption" does not really represent "family", as evidenced by virtue of Hillary's blood>adoption meme. Adoptive parents take note, you're apparently not REALLY a "family" in Hillary's greatest sense of the word.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Does someone somewhere believe this will help her win the nomination? And if she does, why would any Sanders supporters vote for her?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)"extraordinary Grandchildren" remark.
She's a lowlife. Desperate times call for desperate RUDE remarks.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
cali
(114,904 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Colbert? In an ad?
I remember it because after he said it, I thought *that was the sweetest thing to say!*
He says sweet things about his grandkids all the time.
Here's two others -
https://m.
https://berniesanders.com/about/
That remark was definitely aimed at him.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Nyan
(1,192 posts)but it's clear to me that she was referring to Bernie's extraordinary grandchildren....
It's his favorite phrase describing his children and grandchildren. I heard it many times...
"You know, people talk about their extraordinary grandchildren, but I actually HAVE one"
Yep. I wish I could say she meant nothing of the sort, but it's pretty clear to me that she was alluding to Bernie's family.
And you know what? It must be clear to Bernie.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)draa
(975 posts)Over 80% of Dems support single payer. How does attacking single payer move voters to her side. This entire thing makes no sense and it's as if she's intentionally blowing this primary. Very strange.
dragonfly301
(399 posts)I'm gonna let this pass as just Hillary being Hillary. I would hope she has the sense not to take a dig at adopted grandchildren - I mean I've seen much written about her love of children. She could be our party's nominee (not my first choice) so I hope she does a better job of staying on point against the Republicans.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Sounded more like she was just trying to shoehorn her granddaughter into the discussion, right next to the kitchen sink.
Donkees
(31,453 posts)Response to Robbins (Original post)
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azmom
(5,208 posts)It wasn't nice. She thinks her grandchild is better? really?
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 15, 2016, 03:15 PM - Edit history (2)
...but she was not, directly or indirectly, saying anything negative about Bernie's grandchildren.
This would be really sad if the Bernie camp suggested this.
I did go to one of her rallies in Iowa. She said the same line. It's a humorous line. She said, "A lot of people say they have extraordinary grandchildren, I actually do." It was a joke and everyone laughed, because it's universal that grandparents think that their grandchildren are THE best.
I think she delivered the line a bit awkwardly, compared to how I've heard her deliver it before. It just came out a bit off, but there is nothing nefarious about the line. I clearly got her meaning when she said it at her Des Moines rally. So did the audience. Everyone chuckled and I thought it was sweet.
Please, Sanders supporters. Don't go there. We're so much better than this. Plenty to argue about with regard to policy. Don't be mean. Really.
cali
(114,904 posts)emulatorloo
(44,180 posts)Cowpunk
(719 posts)I am also a Sanders supporter. What you wrote makes a lot more sense than the idea that Hillary would attack Bernie's grandchildren. Could she really be that mean AND out of control? I doubt it. We should to let this one go.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)I event commented to my wife that it was a "weird thing to say". I didn't see it in the context of a jab at Bernie, but I admittedly don't pay attention to the family lives of candidates. That being said, it was an odd line, and I don't think Secretary Clinton say anything by accident.
Duppers
(28,126 posts)If it wasn't intended as a slam, WHY say it at all??
"I actually have one!"
Low, low, Madame Secretary.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)emulatorloo
(44,180 posts)You shouldnt have to be the granddaughter of a former president to have your American Dream realized.
Duppers
(28,126 posts)It was not on the tape above.
emulatorloo
(44,180 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)but I think it was just another opportunity to remind people shes a grandma. Maybe its pandering (hey Im just like you, Im a grandma!), but I think most grandmothers are inclined to insert their grand babies into any conversation. Not having kids, I dont know this for certain, but most of my girlfriends that are grandmothers NEVER MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REMIND YOU THAT THEIR GRANDKIDS ARE AMAZING. To which Im like
Just like Benghazi there is plenty to be critical of Hillary about but I think this is much ado about nothing.
Now, if you want to talk about her lying about Bernies proposals, that will be more than enough.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)AllyCat
(16,218 posts)Okay, well I guess we knows how she feels about non-nuclear or non-traditional families.
greyl
(22,990 posts)that Hillary was referring to Bernie.
Because he does have grandchildren.
Duppers
(28,126 posts)That's what some of this fuss is about.
kenn3d
(486 posts)Hillary's character can't be disguised.
Bernie's character can't be denied.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)Hillary supporters Do you support this kind of Bull Shit?
If you do let me know so I can make sure your are on my ignore list.
This is Karl Rove,dick Cheney style politics. Has this woman lost it
Hillary has wanted this for over 20 years and in her mind,nothing,nothing will stop her.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)So do I support that she has extraordinary grandchildren, if that was the question.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)What a gross, nasty, mean-spirited thing to say. Go away, Hillary.
madokie
(51,076 posts)my grand daughter is my step sons daughter.
I chose to not have children due to my exposure to agent orange but that does not make my grand daughter any less of my grand daughter. Hillary can kiss my old ASS.
I will vote for her if I have to but it will be the most difficult vote of my life if and when I do. I'll work my ass off so as to not have to vote for her. She sure is making it hard to give two shits for her though. I'm old and don't have much time for bullshit like she's pulling right now.
I do not trust her as far as I can throw her and trust me when I say that ain't very far.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)and has failed to give us any details.she will say "check the details out on my website" but all thats there is,contribute,contribute
She said Bernie doesn't have any plans to deliver on his promises but I beg to differ with her.
Say what you want to defend your Candidate Hillary supporters but this short clip and as you noticed she said "its all about me" "I'm the greatest" its BS and this is why she will lose.
She might as well have said. "I've been laying the ground work to be President for well over 20 years and I will not be denied"
That's what she said in reality,another reason she will lose.
You know she might just come in 3rd again because Hillary is now Self Destructing
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It sure seems like a plan.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/12/22/an-end-to-alzheimers-disease/
Is there something wrong with posting the plan on your website? Would you prefer that she read the entire policy at her town halls?
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)six times over. That is the way everybody thinks. Of course, mine actually are extraordinary.
emulatorloo
(44,180 posts)Dream realized."
What she says after your edit.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/15/1470310/-Clinton-Did-Not-Diss-Sanders-Grandkids
And I think too many people are forgetting what are some of the biggest determinants as to what happens to your children and grandchildren. The first being what kind of country we are and whether were still providing the opportunities to realize your promise and potential and what kind of worlds going to be out there waiting.
And I feel passionately that just because we had it in the past, doesnt mean were going to keep it in the future. You shouldnt have to be the granddaughter of a former president to have your American Dream realized. I think every kid should have a chance to live up to her god-given potential.
Your OP uses selective editing to manufacture a smear that was not made.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)I posted clip I saw that is on social media.
why the need to bash my character but defend her's.
and upset with her was already online when i saw this video clip.
emulatorloo
(44,180 posts)However you didn't bother to check out whether or not your source's clip included the whole statement.
And then you used your source's misleading fucked-up clip to manufacture a claim that HRC insulted Bernie's grandchildren when she did no such thing.
There are many deceptive things posted on social media, including ant-Bernie things that aren't true.
Unfortunately, now that you do know the clip was edited, you are apparently doubling down on it and not correcting your OP.
And trying to make me into the bad guy because of your unfortunate use of an edited clip which takes things out of context.
I am sure you are a wonderful person.
But let me suggest that you take anything you see on social media with a grain of salt and triple check it before you use it as a basis for argument.
Also I suggest if you care about your reputation on DU you will correct your OP by adding the full quotation and back off on the manufactured claims you put foward. As it detracts from Bernie and Bernie's message.
Just suggestions, you should of course do whatever you think helps Bernie win.
Have a wonderful day!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Squinch
(51,000 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Senator, or Secretary , I won't make the disparaging accusation or as first lady, but Repukers will .